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AgePosted: 2018-Apr-17 1:24 am 
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Normally, with , if all creatures would die from a wrath then no creatures would return as there isn't a creature in play. With the Theros gods, if your source of devotion was the other creatures, then the god stops being a creature when they are in the graveyard, so I was wondering if the Lifeline triggers would see that god as a creature for the purposes of bringing the other creatures back. I know the god will stop being a creature, but at what point during the Lifeline triggering process?

I wasn't able to find a ruling with a search, so I am asking here.

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I used to play Vintage a fair bit, and back then was a fairly common card that used the 'Intervening If' trigger -- so the opponent needed to have more creatures that you before your turn started in order for it to trigger at all. And, if you could get rid of creatures while the trigger was still on the stack, you could prevent it from going off.

Interestingly, it's no longer an intervening if trigger.


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My friend explained it to me in a way I understood (and felt stupid for not thinking of myself).

You would resolve the wrath before ever putting the Lifeline triggers on the stack (even if they are delayed), so none of the dead creatures would see the god as a creature, since devotion was lost.

I think since the trigger is delayed, my brain skipped over the part(s) where you still have to resolve the board wipe in total first :)

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That's.... not quite right. The initial trigger would see the god as a creature.

It leads you to the correct answer, but see above for the technical rulings on how it works.


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So, if 603.10 means that you check whether the condition is met based on the board state before the event occurs, then always triggers when multiple creatures die at once. Usually if no creatures survive, those triggers will do nothing, but if you control it, you can resolve the triggers for your opponents' creatures, then put a creature onto the field at instant speed, and resolve the triggers for your creatures so they'll come back.


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