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 Post subject: Hypothetical Doubling Creature
AgePosted: 2018-May-20 8:28 pm 

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I was thinking about a Creature with just the doubling season text. It's probably a when, not an if. But now I'm curious, would it be multicolor or monocolor?

I imagine it would be a Legendary Creature, as being able to make a token copy doubling season effect and then populate would be a balance problem if it weren't high cost.

Historically though the token-doubling effect has never been a multicolor effect. I could see them making it Green White (plus a third color?) as a lean toward Commander players who want a doubling season general, but I think in general design it would fall under "don't make a card two colors if it can be one", and token doubling is a monogreen ability.

Any thoughts on the subject?

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Doubling Creature
AgePosted: 2018-May-20 8:56 pm 
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If they made it a creature there's no reason it has to be legendary — Winding Constrictor and Corpsejack Menace and Kalonian Hydra aren't legendary creatures, and there are no legendary enchantments in the token/counter doubling enchantment family (Doubling Season, Primal Vigor, Parallel Lives, Anointed Procession). It could just be a normal creature costing 5+ CMC.

Pir being legendary is more likely about targeting the Commander crowd (they did give him Partner) and mitigating that tutoring effect: if Pir and Toothy weren't legendary we'd have reason to include a playset of both in our 2HG decks, but having them be legendary means we should tone that down a bit.

Speaking of which: if they did make it legendary they'd be doing so to target the Commander/Brawl crowd, and if they wanted to target Commander players they'd make it Abzan colored, because they're aware people would want to play cards that are also white or black under such a commander and that they'd have very little to do with that commander in mono-green. They can justify that coloring thusly: doubling tokens is Selesnya's thing, doubling counters as a replacement effect is Golgari's thing, and three-color permanents get to be more powerful than monocolor.

If they went full bore on targeting commander, we could justifiably see a Selesnya partner who only doubles tokens and a Golgari partner who only doubles counters. It'd be a Build Your Own Doubling Season pair.

(It would not likely not have blue in its color identity because Simic focuses on doubling counters already present. See Vorel of the Hull Clade and Deepglow Skate.)

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Doubling Creature
AgePosted: 2018-May-20 10:48 pm 

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They would probably make it legendary in order to limit the number you could control (kicked Rite of Replication, anyone?)


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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Doubling Creature
AgePosted: 2018-May-20 11:23 pm 
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cryogen wrote:
They would probably make it legendary in order to limit the number you could control (kicked Rite of Replication, anyone?)

That sounds reasonable. There's an abundance of cards ready to copy creatures, assuming our deck also has blue plus this theoretical creature.

A resolved kicked Rite of Replication usually means you're at the game-ending stage anyway, so they may still make it nonlegendary and accept that this scenario can happen, but that sounds exceptionally nasty.

Helm of the Hosts would be a guaranteed include for this theoretical creature on that note if it's a commander. Due to the creature's own ability it would create two copies of itself, meaning the doubling already puts you up to 8x copies of any tokens or counters you generate. Next turn you put down 8 copies of this creature from Helm of the Hosts, and now that you have 11 total you're generating 2^11 = 2048 copies of anything. Create even a single token in that state and you probably win with your now 2048 soldier tokens.

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