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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
AgePosted: 2019-Jun-20 1:00 am 

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Wow, another promotion. Guess upward mobility is easy when management keeps getting wiped out by the Eldrazi.

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
AgePosted: 2019-Jun-20 1:38 am 
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This has staple written all over it for me. Instant speed onto the battlefield land tutoring for a very low cost seems like great utility for any deck. Its obviously great in land decks, but I'm slamming this into my elf deck and tutoring for Volrath's Stronghold every chance I get.

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I’m going to put that sh** on everything.

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I heard you liked to steal stuff and draw cards? Agent of Treachery is your guy. (From Commanderin.)

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/looks at a Blue Omnath

Oh no, what did they do to my beautiful boy?

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
AgePosted: 2019-Jun-20 7:38 am 
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Elvish Reclaimer is a scary card. Glad I didn't sell my Cradle last month, heh. Time to uptick the nonbasic land hate in my decks once again...

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Aside from delvers and other cards with cost reduction, is he the most mismatched CMC-P/T ratio in all of Magic? I mean, his abilities are fantastic, but a 2/3 for 7? Yikes.

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Uktabi_Kong wrote:
Aside from delvers and other cards with cost reduction, is he the most mismatched CMC-P/T ratio in all of Magic? I mean, his abilities are fantastic, but a 2/3 for 7? Yikes.


I think that award will always go to Wild Pair's best friend, Gigantomancer. Pretty damn close, though.

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His P/T are largely irrelevant, especially since whatever you grab is yours forever

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
AgePosted: 2019-Jun-20 10:02 am 
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Jeyal wrote:
Uktabi_Kong wrote:
Aside from delvers and other cards with cost reduction, is he the most mismatched CMC-P/T ratio in all of Magic? I mean, his abilities are fantastic, but a 2/3 for 7? Yikes.


I think that award will always go to Wild Pair's best friend, Gigantomancer. Pretty damn close, though.


Along with our expensive friend Scornful Egotist naturally.

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
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So...

Let me get this straight...

Entomb + Reanimate = lose 8 life, draw 8 cards, make 8/8 Flying Demon?

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Segrus wrote:
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So...

Let me get this straight...

Entomb + Reanimate = lose 8 life, draw 8 cards, make 8/8 Flying Demon?


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Reanimate
12/7/2018 You lose life after the creature is already on the battlefield. Any abilities it has that interact with loss of life, such as that of Platinum Emperion, apply to that loss of life.
12/7/2018 If any abilities trigger on the creature entering the battlefield, those abilities resolve after you lose life. If losing life results in you losing the game, those abilities won’t resolve.


Static ability that is on the battlefield before the loss of life, so yes. It would seem that works.

In GUB, pair with Horizon Chimera for:

B, Draw two cards: Target creature gets -1/-1 UoT.

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
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Toxic Deluge now reads: all creatures get -X/-X, Draw X cards. Best sweeper ever.

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
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kirkusjones wrote:
Toxic Deluge now reads: all creatures get -X/-X, Draw X cards. Best sweeper ever.

But it's only one creature at a time, so wouldn't that have to be X target creatures get -Y/-Y UOT. Draw X*Y cards?

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 Post subject: Re: M20 Spoiler discussion
AgePosted: 2019-Jun-20 8:36 pm 

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Treamayne wrote:
kirkusjones wrote:
Toxic Deluge now reads: all creatures get -X/-X, Draw X cards. Best sweeper ever.

But it's only one creature at a time, so wouldn't that have to be X target creatures get -Y/-Y UOT. Draw X*Y cards?


With Vilis in play the life cost of Toxic Deluge draws you cards, was kirkus’s point, I think.

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