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|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-Feb-26 3:23 am ]|
|Post subject:||Do you want to see a decklist? Y/N/Maybe|
I decided that I wanted to have decklists written down somewhere, in case my EDH were lost or stolen. This seemed like a reasonably logical place to keep them. If you're reading this, then you're probably interested, so here are the cards I play:
Edit: I swap cards in and out of my decks constantly. The lists will be updated along with the decks.
The Original Momir Vig, Simic Visionary!
Arcanis the Omnipotent (combo piece)
Coiling Oracle (Demonic Tutor +1)
Drift of Phantasms
Eternal Witness (I think I'll play Tooth and Nail next turn, too.)
Keiga, the Tide Star
Memnarch (combo piece)
Overbeing of Myth
Pygmy Hippo (See Coiling Oracle...plus he's a hippopotamus!)
Seedborn Muse (The core of the combo. She must die. (Genesis is probably there to catch her.))
Simic Sky Swallower (Sometimes a big stick is all I need.)
Sower of Temptation (tutorable control magic)
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir (combo piece)
Venser, Shaper Savant (tutorable bounce)
Wall of Blossoms
Life from the Loam
Regrowth (I hope that Extirpate doesn't become popular in EDH...)
Time Spiral (I have never had success with this card... but... draw seven cards.)
Tooth and Nail
Chord of Calling
Evacuation (I have not yet drawn this card. I think it has magical properties.)
Fact or Fiction
Forbid (the lock is so much harder, now!)
Force of Will
Gifts Ungiven (My instants don't seem as fun as the other two categories, so far.)
Hinder (Hide your general)
Mana Drain (Where else would I put it?)
Defense of the Heart ("This is broken in every format!")
Coldsteel Heart (this is where my mana lives)
Academy Ruins (maybe I should play Mindslaver...)
City of Brass
Forest (combos with Kodama's Reach)
Minamo, School at Water's Edge (combos with Arcanis, if three cards a turn isn't enough)
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers (if this had a mana cost, the name would be too long)
Simic Growth Chamber
Tendo Ice Bridge
Out - Call of the Herd; In - Nevinyrral's Disk
Out - Fruitcake Elemental; In - Forbid
Out - Boomerang; In - Scroll Rack
Out - Terramorphic Expanse; In - Skyshroud Forest
Out - Rancor; In - Sylvan Library
Out - Kodama's Reach; In - Riftsweeper
Out - Trygon Predator; In - Intuition
Out - Gaea's Skyfolk; In - Wall of Blossoms
Out - Umezawa's Jitte; In - Chord of Calling
Out - Plated Slagwurm; In - Bribery
Out - Troll Ascetic; In - Treachery
Out - Morphling; In - Mana Drain
Out - Sakura-Tribe Elder; In - Coalition Relic
Out - Tradewind Rider; In - Venser, Shaper Savant
Out - Plaxcaster Frogling; In - Masked Admirers
Out - Vedalken Orrery; In - Cryptic Command
Out - School of the Unseen; In - Shimmering Grotto
Out - Thawing Glaciers; In - Vivid Creek
Out - Quicksand; In - Vivid Grove
Out - Tinker; In - Remote Isle
Out - Darksteel Colossus; In - Slippery Karst
Out - Honden of Seeing Winds; In - Sower of Temptation
Out - Dark Depths; In - Cream of the Crop
Out - Control Magic; In - Life from the Loam
Out - Moss Diamond; In - Tendo Ice Bridge
Out - Sky Diamond; In - Tolaria West
Out - Loxodon Warhammer; In - Erratic Portal
Out - Confiscate; In - Crystal Shard
Out - Rush of Knowledge; In - Loaming Shaman
Out - Ray of Command; In - Primal Command
Out - Cream of the Crop; (cutting down to the proper 99 cards)
Out - Tree of Tales; In - Riptide Laboratory
Out - Seat of the Synod; In - Polluted Delta
Out - Mind Stone; In - Cephalid Coliseum
Out - Mishra's Factory; In - Reflecting Pool
Out - Echoing Truth; In - Capsize
Out - Ohran Viper (needed it for a new deck); In - Wood Sage
Out - Rewind; In - Voidmage Husher
Out - Vesuvan Doppelganger; In - Merchant Scroll
Out - Blatant Theivery; In - Overbeing of Myth
Out - Tolaria; In - Flooded Grove
Out - Indrik Stomphowler; In - Wickerbough Elder (better version)
Out - Mind's Eye (I had it in too many decks); In - Dream Fracture
Out - Riftsweeper (banhammered!); In - Spitting Image
Out - Spitting Image; In - Drift of Phantasms
The deck revolves around Vig finding me Seedborn Muse and her cronies. Genesis and other spells ensure that she stays alive. With her, Arcanis and Teferi on a team, every turn is my turn!
The Dictator Oros, the Avenger!
Liliana Vess (a villainess)
Angel of Despair
Archon of Justice
Avatar of Woe (those kids are so tragic)
Eternal Dragon (everything's a plains these days!)
Firemane Angel (what game of EDH doesn't reach 10 mana?)
Kaervek the Merciless (Why yes, I think I will Win More)
Kumano, Master Yamabushi
Myojin of Night's Reach
Ryusei, the Falling Star (More legends than Legends!)
Seizan, Perverter of Truth (FTW)
Visara the Dreadful
Akroma's Vengeance (cycling is good, too)
Beseech the Queen
Decree of Justice
Decree of Pain (you should play this in extended)
Wrath of God (with 100% more Shakespeare!)
Condemn (Hide your general)
Grab the Reins
Swords to Plowshares
Debtors' Knell (bombos with Desolation Giant)
Rakdos Signet (three colours is better than two)
Sword of Fire and Ice
Caves of Koilos
Flagstones of Trokair
Mishra's Factory (mightily wields the Fireshrieker)
Petrified Field (people keep killing my Volrath's Stronghold)
Plains (The Lightning Plains is now in foil!)
Ruins of Trokair
Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
Volrath's Stronghold (combos with graveyard)
Out - Fireshrieker; In - Death Grasp
Out - Predator, Flagship; In - Vindicate
Out - Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth; In - Petrified Field
Out - Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni; In - Akroma, Angel of Fury
Out - Enlightened Tutor; In - Demonic Consultation
Out - Serra Avenger; In - Recurring Nightmare
Out - Flametongue Kavu; In - Umezawa's Jitte
Out - Okiba-Gang Shinobi; In - Visara the Dreadful
Out - Demonic Consultation (The first time it killed me it was awesome.); In - Arc-Slogger
Out - Boros Guildmage; In - Oversold Cemetery
Out - Jaya Ballard; In - Austere Command
Out - Rakdos Guildmage; In - Profane Command
Out - Quicksand; In - Molten Slagheap (why did that take so long?)
Out - Terramorphic Expanse; In - Barren Moor
Out - Hypnotic Specter; In - Forgotten Cave
Out - Sudden Death; In - Secluded Steppe
Out - Coldsteel Heart; In - Coalition Relic
Out - Akroma, Angel of Wrath; In - Siege-Gang Commander
Out - Torchling; In - Magnivore
Out - Wrecking Ball; In - Grab the Reins
Out - Myojin of Cleansing Fire; In - Starstorm
Out - Kirtar's Wrath; In - Honor the Fallen
Out - Umezawa's Jitte; In - Shred Memory
Out - Recurring Nightmare (banhammered!); In - Exalted Angel
Out - Kokusho, the Evening Star (banhammered!); (cutting down to the proper 99 cards)
Out - Spectral Searchlight; In - Graven Cairns
Out - Darksteel Ingot; In - Drifting Meadow
Out - Lightning Greaves (needed for a new deck); In - Bitterblossom
Out - Wheel of Fortune (needed for a new deck); In - Liliana Vess
Out - Magnivore; In - Myojin of Night's Reach
Out - Arc-Slogger; In - Twilight Shepherd
Out - Bitterblossom; In - Mind's Eye
Out - Living Death; In - Recoup
Out - Phyrexian Totem; In - Beseech the Queen
Out - Desolation Giant; In - Archon of Justice
Out - Honor the Fallen; In - Warp World
Out - Beacon of Unrest; In - Sword of Fire and Ice
Out - Final Judgement; In - Hallowed Burial
Out - Faith's Fetters; In - Unmake
Out - Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace; In - Rugged Prairie
Out - Orzhova, the Church of Deals; In - Fetid Heath
Out - Warp World; In - Stonecloaker
Out - Void; In - Aven Mindcensor
Out - Karakas (banhammered!); In - Terminal Moraine
Out - Eight-and-a-Half-Tails; In - Scroll Rack
Out - Akroma, Angel of Fury; In - Tainted Pact
A simple control deck. Wrath you, attack with angels and dragons and legendary human shamans. I've won several crazy games by repeatedly blowing up my own Kokusho.
If anyone has any notes or suggestions, they are more than welcome. I especially want a better mana base. Many of those lands are in there just to make the decks truely Highlander (see: School of the Unseen, Flagstones, etc). If I'm missing anything sweet, let me know.
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-Apr-13 1:00 am ]|
A third EDH deck has been constructed. This one, far and away, is the most powerful of the three.
The Pacifier Karn, Silver Golem!
Artifact Creatures (12)
Arcbound Reclaimer (Modular is good, but I only kept the ones that did interesting things. They're almost all gone, now.)
Duplicant (a bit of valuable removal)
Metalworker (! (bannable))
Mycosynth Golem (Karn is an Artifact Creature spell that I play!)
Sundering Titan (I have no targets for this ability in my whole deck)
Arena of the Ancients (good, in this format)
Basalt Monolith (a lot of this list makes big mana)
Darksteel Forge (Now is a good time to disk. Next turn, too.)
Erratic Portal (to shake off Faith's Fetters)
Magistrate's Scepter (I have to play some bad cards, right?)
Memory Jar (Drawing Seven since 05 Jan 2007)
Monkey Cage (Monkey Cage)
Mycosynth Lattice (your lands are creatures, too)
Myr Incubator (sometimes a big deck is a good thing)
Oblivion Stone (This hurts me so badly, but I do it anyhow. It's always a 3/3, if nothing else.)
Portcullis (You have only two creatures between you? I guess I'll attack with... Portcullis!)
Relic of Progenitus
Rings of Brighthearth (the new favourite)
That Which Was Taken
Thran Dynamo (these are good, when they essentially make three of any colour)
Ward of Bones
Winter Orb (combos with artifact mana)
Blasted Landscape (Some of my land is better than others. Many are included out of necessity. This one cycles!)
God's Eye, Gate the the Reikai
Maze of Shadows
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Miren, the Moaning Well
Mishra's Factory (I wish Mishra's Workshop was coming up next)
Mishra's Workshop (and now it is!)
Mouth of Ronom (combos with Scrying Sheets)
Temple of the False God
Tower of the Magistrate
Urza's Power Plant
Out - Heartstone; In - Masticore
Out - Whispersilk Cloak; In - Pentavus
Out - Wintermoon Mesa; In - Zoetic Cavern
Out - Junk Diver; In - Serum Tank
Out - Welding Jar; In - Akroma's Memorial
Out - Mirror Golem; In - Mindslaver
Out - Voltaic Construct (Unbound combos are no fun for anyone, and that's all he's good for); In - Platinum Angel
Out - Rath's Edge; In - Rishadan Port
Out - Arcbound Fiend; In - Mana Crypt
Out - Arcbound Ravager; In - Rings of Brighthearth
Out - Doubling Cube; In - Phyrexian Portal
Out - Skull Catapult; In - Rath's Edge
Out - Gate to the Aether; In - Blinkmoth Urn
Out - Lifeline (needed it in my new EDH); In - Pit Trap (placeholder)
Out - Pit Trap; In - Sculpting Steel
Out - Sheltered Valley; In - Mutavault
Out - Rath's Edge; In - Mishra's Workshop
Out - Arcbound Overseer; In - Reito Lantern
Out - Crawlspace; In - Phyrexian Furnace
Out - Darksteel Ingot; (cutting down to the proper 99 cards)
Out - Goblin Cannon; In - Tawnos's Coffin
Out - Serrated Arrows; In - Mishra's Helix
Out - Masticore; In - Scarecrone
Out - Rocket Launcher; In - Ward of Bones
Out - Myr Matrix; In - Springjack Pasture
Out - Snake Basket; In - Relic of Progenitus
This actually is my best EDH deck. No EDH deck likes Winter Orb or Meekstone dropped against them, but they usually can't do anything about it (because theres a fn Winter Orb on the table chrast ur deck is so fn lame). Despite the fact that it has no colours, it's got plenty of combos that are way more powerful than the other two decks can assemble. I'll probably save this one for special occasions, from now on.
|Author:||TheAardvark [ 2007-May-14 12:59 pm ]|
In the Vig deck, no Empress Galina? Afraid you'll get punched? Heh.
I built my own Vig deck, and while there are some similarities, I threw in some things that seem so far to be crazy good:
Chord Of Calling--I can't say enough about this card in EDH; it is busted.
Helm Of Obedience--Steals their stuff and brings back the innocent feelings of 1996. Those were the days.
Dominating Licid--Again, steals stuff, and reminds me of Rath Block COnstructed; that was silly to the extreme.
Legacy's Allure--Hey, more stealing creatures? Your opponent often forgets about it. Heh.
Treachery--Yeah, it's obnoxious, but so are plenty of other cards in the deck.
Gilded Drake--This card is pretty hot with Tradewind, especially if your opponent won't kick you for it.
Vesuvan Shapeshifter--Just more utility, and it can always kill their general in a pinch.
Man-o'-War--Once again, good times with Tradewind.
Wall Of Blossoms--Demonic Tutor with Vig in play; pretty spiffy.
Carven Caryatid--See Wall Of Blossoms.
I recommend giving some of those a try; just watch out for those touchy people who throw things.
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-May-16 3:50 pm ]|
Thanks for the suggestions, Aardvark.
I've been meaning to put Chord of Calling in for a long time, now. I think I'll go ahead and do it, finally.
Wall of Blossoms and Carven Caryatid were both in the original build, but neither did enough for me. The GU creatures stayed in to act as tutors when paired with Vig. The Skyfolk has been disappointing lately, though, and now that I think about it, Wall of Blossoms is probably better (especially in the early game before Momir shows up).
Galina and Dominating Licid were also in my original build. I'm a long time blue player, and many of my earliest decks contained cards of that type, and they were great in those days. My old Rootwater Matriarch deck is still one of my favourites. These days, though (maybe it's just the folks I normally play with), creature-based control cards are a huge irritant to my opponents. They take too long to come online, and I lose my investment almost every time, before it pays off (Memnarch being the notable exception).
Tradewind Rider used to be a huge part of my win, when I started to get critical mass. In my current build, though, it usually goes Muse-Arcanis-Teferi-draw cards ftw. The fancy stuff has been swept aside for a more straight-forward giant army+counterspells strategy, because I found it too slow and fragile.
Maybe I'm wrong, though. How do things usually go for you? Is your deck as comboish as mine? Which cards do you most often tutor for?
Thanks again for your notes.
|Author:||TheAardvark [ 2007-May-16 8:04 pm ]|
Well, I've only played mine a few times, but let me preface this by saying our builds are pretty different. I play 0 counterspells aside from the creatures that have said abilities. Actually, let me just post my list:
General--Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Ertai, Wizard Adept
Linessa, Zephyr Mage
Simic Sky Swallower
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Wall Of Blossoms
Dwell On The Past
Library Of Lat-Nam
Life From The Loam
Tooth and Nail
Chord Of Calling
Fact or Fiction
Helm Of Obedience
Sensei's Divining Top
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers
Simic Growth Chamber
With that list in mind, when I am tutoring for something, it depends on the situation of course. However, these are the 3 I have found myself fetching the most:
Those are all pretty self-explanatory, I think.
As far as Wall Of Blossoms/Carven Caryatid go, don't forget that you can put the card draw on the stack, and if you have Vig in play, you can search for a creature and draw it with the ability, so they're additional tutors while also being nice blockers (Caryatid specifically is pretty entertaining when equipped with Warhammer) for little mana.
My deck tends to operate differently, as I try to just control the board and overwhelm thim with cards and creatures. I don't put much emphasis on a particular combo, although Seedborn is ridiculous with a variety of cards in the deck. Teferi isn't that great without counters and such, so I may dump him; Linessa is definitely getting cut, just not sure what to put in her place yet.
In all, I like my build, and once I have "perfected" my Savra deck for our "metagame", I'll probably work more on this one. For now, this is the one I play just to annoy people. Heh.
|Author:||Gandelf [ 2007-May-16 11:58 pm ]|
Why not run something like spectral force(big beater and surely someone will play black on the table) or brine elemental (to completely lock someone out of the game)? Or Multani, Maro-Sorcerer???
As for the lands, no gaea's cradle in both lists???
|Author:||TheAardvark [ 2007-May-17 10:06 am ]|
I overlooked Multani, to be honest. I will definitely throw him in there; good thing I randomly have a foil one! Heh. Spectral Force...eh, I'd rather play more "interesting" creatures (to me, anyway). Brine Elemental is a possibility, though...I forgot about it when I threw Shapeshifter into the deck.
As far as Cradle goes...it's not as great in this deck (whereas in other decks it is insane), but it can still be good. I'm on the fence about it, really. I may try it out again. Who knows?
|Author:||ZioBafio [ 2007-Aug-26 1:18 am ]|
In my Karn deck I run a lovely Staff of Domination,
with the amount of mana you produce is a useful toolbox, and with Metalworker on the ground it's an auto win
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-Aug-26 1:11 pm ]|
I considered Staff of Domination, but is it really that good?
'6: Draw a card.' is decent in the late game, when it's repeatable, but I'm usually using a lot of mana to beat down with Scepters and Skyships, unless Karn gets Hindered or something.
'4, T: Tap target creature.' seems very unexciting to me, and the only creature in my deck worth untapping is Metalworker. Aside from the fact that two-card combos in 100-card Highlander are inconsistent at best, I'm basically unwilling to go infinite in a multiplayer casual game (which is why Voltaic Construct was quickly dropped).
You obviously like the card very much, though. What are your experiences with it? Can you tell me about a situation in which it was a real star?
|Author:||ZioBafio [ 2007-Aug-26 3:27 pm ]|
maybe it's only a problem of game-style, I usually try to go in card-advantage, and with the tons of mana the deck produces the 6-->draw1 ability doesn't seems so bad (That's also because I found a lack of good drawing in this type of deck)
the 2 card combo in a 100 card deck would be only one of the other 1000 combos this faboulous deck could produce, I accept it because the two piece of the combo are useful even alone, so drawing only 1 piece of the combo will never be a dead draw. Don't forget we have 2 pseudo-tutors in the deck (weatherlight and portal)
maybe my playtesting isn't very good (only few games, I've played EDH for not so much time) but I think that in a brainstorming-style thread every idea should be posted
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-Aug-27 6:03 pm ]|
but I think that in a brainstorming-style thread every idea should be posted
Agreed, and I appreciate your input very much. I'm planning on testing the card, by the way. I honestly haven't ever played with the Staff in any deck, so it could turn out to be amazing. For instance, I just built a mono-black EDH deck, and Phyrexian Etchings is ABSURD (I knew it would be 'good' but this thing actually draws a billion cards).
|Author:||Vhati il-Dal [ 2007-Sep-15 5:25 am ]|
For your (and my Copy) of the Karn deck:
Moonglove Extract (3)
Sacrifice Moonglove Extract : Moonglove Extract deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
Do you think it can make the cut? It's a nice Seal of Fire for (3).
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2007-Sep-16 5:10 pm ]|
Well, I doubt it, quite frankly. I had Aeolipile in the very first version, but it got cut fairly quickly. I found that Shock just doesn't do enough in the format, with such high life totals and toughness scores.
Speaking of the Karn deck, though, Rings of Brighthearth seems very interesting. I think that thing might be a powerhouse in many/most EDH decks, and might even be playable in Standard. Thoughts?
|Author:||ZioBafio [ 2007-Sep-17 12:30 am ]|
I think it would
with no spells other than artifact the abilities of your permanent are the most important part of your gameplay, so being capable to doubling them will almost double your power
|Author:||Ban Ki-moon [ 2008-Feb-06 9:15 pm ]|
Since posting my first three EDH lists, Iâ€™ve built a few more decks. I decided to show off my two favourites, so here we go.
This first one has a gimmick. I wanted to prove that EDH is, in fact, a budget format. Therefore, I wanted to build a deck with as few rares as possible. The rules I gave myself were that I couldnâ€™t use more than ten rare cards total, and no card in the deck could be worth more than the copy of Cabal Coffers (an uncommon).
Great Balls of Maga, Traitor to Mortals!
Bane of the Living (my answer to prot. Black) *
Big Game Hunter
Dimir House Guard
Holy smokes look at that I guess when the boards got moved some posts were corrupted, including this one. Welp, someone asked me to rewrite this list, so I guess I may as well leave it here while I have it
General: Maga, Traitor to Mortals
*Bane of the Living
Big Game Hunter
Dimir House Guard
Gatekeeper of Malakir
*Gauntlet of Power
Gate to Phyrexia
Barter in Blood
Beseech the Queen
Sign in Blood
Tendrils of Corruption
* = rare
Old Men was deleted completely and I'm not going to bother writing it out unless someone asks me to.
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