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Should monocolor decks get to use cards with hybrid mana symbols?
yes 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
no 92%  92%  [ 54 ]
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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 9:05 am 
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Should monocolor decks get to use cards with hybrid mana symbols? The restriction is totally just for flavor, so when you are talking a single color how about if we allow hybrid casting cost cards? Otherwise single color decks don't get to play hybrid cards at all, which makes the card pool for deck construction limited for the sole purpose of preserving a flavor that I do not believe ANYONE cares about. So...if you do care...would someone care to explain? It...just seems silly...and now that the rules people have decided infinite combos can stay I believe this discussion deserves some attention. If I am going to have to deal with infinite combos on a regular basis, one of which is a turn 1 infinite, I want access to my entire card pool without retarded meaningless restrictions. If the game of EDH is changing form must succumb to function.


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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 9:32 am 

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I definately think that stating that nobody cares about the flavor is inaccurate. Maybe in your playgroup it is.

As far as my opinion on the hybrid symbols. I think allowing mono colored decks access to decks that multicolored decks may not have access to (Stoutarm and Fracturing Gust?). I think it makes no sense to allow it for some but not for all. I have a couple mono-colored decks, but I do not think that it would be fair to only let mono-colored decks run hybrid.


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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 10:25 am 
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Allowing hybrid mana symbols in monocolored decks or in decks that don't have that mana symbol (like Figure of Destiny with a General who is red but not white) is extremely unlikely to happen (at least while I'm a member of the committee.

People *do* care about the flavor of EDH, and this would be way out of flavor.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 10:32 am 
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While I would love to run Shadow of Doubt or Augury Adept in my monoblue, I have to agree that it would go against the flavor of the format.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 11:29 am 
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Have we not already been thru this?

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 11:32 am 
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Doraemon wrote:
Have we not already been thru this?


New people come to the forum all the time. It's worth rediscussing things.


Flavor matters and limits matter.

Creativity thrives on restriction. See: Limericks.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 11:36 am 
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Not that I'm being bitter or anything, but I do wonder what brought this discussion up again. Last time this happened Shadowmoor just came out and there were a lot of ppl who wanted to be able to play their hybrids in off-color decks.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 12:20 pm 

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I think this time is a little different, the OP is only seeking an exception for mono-colored decks.

Not that I think it changes much.


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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 12:38 pm 
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*Curses*

Sheldon wrote:
People *do* care about the flavor of EDH, and this would be way out of flavor.


Arrrgh, sentiment hasn't changed. I'm still totally gonna try to convince my playgroup to allow it (cuz I have 5 monocolor decks). I just...totally disagree with your statement Sheldon. In no way whatsoever does this seem out of flavor. But whatever, hopefully I'll have more success convincing the locals. I just can't deal with how much weaker my monocolor EDH decks are than my monocolor 60 cards just because I can't play hybrid cards. It's pissing me off! And I just can't believe that all the whores who voted no have trouble tuning their monocolor decks...I don't even believe half of you HAVE monocolor decks! But anyway, I guess I will be doing more than just local bans after all.

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Creativity thrives on restriction


and sure creativity, whatever, but you just unleashed a turn 1 infinite on the format and you can't let me use my damn dovescape in monowhite? Fuckin a man...fuckin a...hybrid cards have no amalgam in single colors...they just dont... It's not right to bully someone's color out of cards just because they're a single color, just because you're claiming flavor. I don't buy it.


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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 12:47 pm 

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tarnar wrote:
... the OP is only seeking...


What's OP?

Voted No, BTW.
It feels like we're saying, "Can I put a Savannah in my Raksha deck? It's a plains."

I think the reason most playgroups would say no, would be because it's not a 'basic' plains.

Not sure if that will come across to anyone who clicked "yes", if they don't feel the flavour themselves, but it's my opinion.

Hybrid in mono-colour EDH? It's just wrong.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 12:49 pm 
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Use Reaper King as your general, and hybrid away, monocolor dude!

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 12:51 pm 
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You have two choices:

Play your mono white without dovescape

Or

Use a u/w general

You're challenging a fundemental aspect of the format.

Those are just the limitations of the format, man.

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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 1:20 pm 

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Voted No.

Flavor and we already went over it.

My view there are 180 ish cards in existance that are split color / split cards.

There are 1500 ish cards in each color that you could play.

Decks are at most 65 actual cards of color ( most run a few artifacts )

Making the cards fully fit the general isn't crippleing, especailly when you can just swap your general up for the desired colors.


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AgePosted: 2009-Mar-25 4:41 pm 
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I think the problem is that for one, you would be able to play some cards that aren't really supposed to be in the colour, Debtors' Knell for example is WAY more black than it is white. And secondly, what would you do outside of mono color decks? Only allow mono-color decks to play hybrids would be weird, because a white deck for example could play every hybrid with white in it, where a WG deck would not be allowed to play Debtors' Knell for example.


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warble wrote:
And I just can't believe that all the whores who voted no have trouble tuning their monocolor decks...I don't even believe half of you HAVE monocolor decks!


Hey, I know that it's tough being monocolor in this crazy world we live in. 6 of my 8 decks are monocolor (yes, I know I'm not half of the people who voted no), and I definitely hurt for access to other colors from time to time. But it's a restriction of the format that goes a long way in seperating it from other formats, it's better for flavor, it keeps things on color (I dare you to say that there isn't ridiculous color bleed in many hybrids), and there's an easy way to solve the problem if it really bothers you that much.

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