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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-16 3:17 pm 

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Viperion wrote:
Dude. You are doing it AGAIN. Please READ the people's posts you are quoting. They often contain the answers to your questions!!!!


He only asked it that way because I threatened him with violence if he challenged my explanation. I guess he hoped someone else would contradict it for him. Oh well, cant have a discussion with someone that wont listen.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-16 5:02 pm 

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RaiRai wrote:
How about we just let Braids off the bench for a while because 9 years for a card to be banned is ridiculous, and if it gets too bad, we ban her again because I am now itching to make a Braids deck that revolves around her sac function.

How about not. First, she's been banned seven years, not nine. Second, she's going to be on the list for eternity. Your only option is to house rule it. Don't like it? Too bad. The ban list is for the literal millions of people who play Commander. It's not going going to be changed because you wanna play Braids. Get over yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 2:07 am 
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Spectrar Ghost wrote:
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because I have seen players crank out 4 lands turn 1 thanks to mana crypt and albeit sol ring, then one of the guild signets.

Your definition of "lands" is deeply, deeply, flawed. 4 mana does NOT equal four lands. And Land, Crypt, Sol Ring, Signet is a once in a lifetime starting hand.

Assuming 38 land, a two color deck can expect this hand at a chance of ~1:3000. Tricolor decks could sea it at ~1:1000, if I've done the math right.

I love that we have people who will just come out with that kind of math. Even approximate numbers is nice to have to compare things :)


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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 2:57 am 
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RaiRai wrote:
thanks to mana crypt and albeit sol ring

Not to drift too far off-topic here, but "albeit" means "although" or "even if"... it has no place in that sentence.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 5:56 am 
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RaiRai wrote:
Okay lets look at Braids ability first, it only targets Artifacts, Lands and Creatures



WRONG

Braids doesn't target. It's a triggered ability that forces the controller to choose from one of Artifacts, Lands, and Creatures they control. There is no targeting. "Choose" and "Target" mean completely different things according to Magic rules.

And it's a forced sacrifice, there is no way around it. You HAVE to choose. The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 6:13 am 
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tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 6:25 am 
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Sid the Chicken wrote:
tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.


And staying banned.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 6:29 am 

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Sheldon wrote:
Sid the Chicken wrote:
tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.


And staying banned.


Savage.


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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 7:44 am 
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Sheldon wrote:
Sid the Chicken wrote:
tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.


And staying banned.


Point to Sheldon.


Damnit.

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 8:12 am 

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Sheldon wrote:
Sid the Chicken wrote:
tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.


And staying banned.


Where's the like button? I can't find it anywhere...

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 10:46 am 
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Sheldon wrote:
Sid the Chicken wrote:
tgambitg wrote:
The only thing that can stop it is Sigarda.

And Tajuru Preserver.


And staying banned.


Braids is one of my favorite characters, and was one of my first EDH decks. Gotta say even as much fun as she is 1v1 she has no place in multiplayer games.

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AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 12:13 pm 
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Braids is one of my favorite characters, and was one of my first EDH decks. Gotta say even as much fun as she is 1v1 she has no place in multiplayer games.


Now a quick question about Braids ability, does it affect enchantment creatures?

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 12:44 pm 
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Yes it does, the controller of the enchantment creature can choose it to sacrifice, as it's a creature. Braids looks for any of the types to fit, so being partially an enchantment doesn't save it

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 Post subject: Re: My Case for a Braids Cabal Minion unbanning
AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 1:46 pm 
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RaiRai wrote:
Inkeyes22 wrote:
Braids is one of my favorite characters, and was one of my first EDH decks. Gotta say even as much fun as she is 1v1 she has no place in multiplayer games.


Now a quick question about Braids ability, does it affect enchantment creatures?


I would recommend doing this kind of research before trying to ban something.

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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AgePosted: 2016-Jun-17 9:37 pm 

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Read the comp. rules, RaiRai. It'll teach you plenty.


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