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 Post subject: Re: The Reserved List and Commander?
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-12 6:39 am 

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The point is you will hit cards that will propel you ahead. Once that Rhystic Study sticks, you no longer care as much about the draw for the turn. since you're likely drawing on everyone else's turn. Similarly, once you hit that the number of lands in your deck is irrelevant because you're guaranteed to hit drops 4-6 as soon as it hits play. Once Tezzeret hits play, the number of lands in your deck is irrelevant since you can search out your sol ring, your artifact lands, your mox opal, or just untap your dynamo/lotus. Once Land Tax hits play, the number of lands in your deck is irrelevant. Once Crucible of Worlds hits play (with a fetch), the number of lands in your deck is irrelevant.

You're statistically going to hit five lands on curve and from there the game will have taken over. When the game takes over, do you want six extra lands or six extra gas? There are so many CHEAP options in this format to guarantee you hit your land drops. On top of that it's a format where card draw is king. If you're running sufficient card draw, you'll hit all your land drops guaranteed.

More often then not I'm on par or ahead on lands from the rest of the table that does run 37+ lands.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-12 7:07 am 

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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-12 7:35 am 
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For the duel lands it is all about efficiency and synergy in 2 color decks. using your second or third fetch for multiple duel lands has often been very important for me in my decks. Mostly for turns 1-6 to ensure I don't get locked out of playing certain spells.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-12 2:15 pm 
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So something interesting is coming out of Tumblr that I thought I would share.

One of the major blogs is now running an independent survey on the Reserved List. One of the interesting points in the survey is it asks if instead of advocating for the end of the Reserved List, players should advocate for removing the Reserved List from Commander. To be fair, it lists all formats where Reserved List cards are Legal individually, but we're on the Commander Forum.

https://tmblr.co/ZFD6Jy29CSjcV (should you want to see it and/or take it.)

It also seems to be an interesting option because a friend I talked to yesterday said that Commander spiked the Reserved List market, not Legacy.

I'm not sure how much this contributes to the discussion, but it seems like an angle worth mentioning.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-12 9:25 pm 

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I'm not sure I understand. The reserved list is a reprint policy, so you can't remove it "from commander". You could possibly ban reserved list cards from commander, but as many have noted, the vast majority of RL cards are neither valuable nor powerful.

Edit: After following several links to the actual survey, There are options to make RL cards "illegible for play" in Vintage, Legacy, and Commander. Leaving aside how one might do this while leaving them legible in other formats, :wink: it seems clear that someone doesn't understand the formats and their goals very well. My point about the broad spectrum of power and value RL cards have stands, as well.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-13 3:55 am 
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Vintage or Legacy without RL cards is about as exiting as Modern. I guess these options are only in the list to give the poll some legitimacy, it can keep up the appearance that this poll is about something else than Commander.

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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-13 6:10 am 

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Who would want to play Vintage without the Reserve List? That's illegible.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-13 6:18 am 

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Vintage simply doesn't work without RL cards. Power defines the format. Legacy losing abur duals would make it a completely different format, but if wotc printed some kind of replacement for those (snow duals, for example) it would be roughly the same. It would have slightly more impact than a ban of LED, City of Traitors, and Cradle. Most of the other RL stuff is either minor sb material or kills an unpopular archetype.


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AgePosted: 2016-Jul-13 8:26 am 

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(the following answer is not meant to be taken seriously)

The current policy allows for colour shifting cards (see Donate / Harmless Offering), so all they need to do is:

Not Taiga
Land - Mountain Forest
Not Taiga is Red and Green
(T, add R or G to your mana pool)

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