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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-25 10:21 am 

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As cute as those 7 are, or even if there were 3 more, the more 'perfectly' viable option is still Sidisa, Xiahou, Erebos. Toshiro and Chainer are also okay and cool. I think people play PHage because it's PHage, not because it's a tier mono-black list.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-25 11:55 am 

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Sovarius wrote:
As cute as those 7 are, or even if there were 3 more, the more 'perfectly' viable option is still Sidisa, Xiahou, Erebos. Toshiro and Chainer are also okay and cool. I think people play PHage because it's PHage, not because it's a tier mono-black list.


Perfectly viable != tier 1 option

She's a powerful general that's not impossible or even difficult to play. She enters the fray, someone's game is over.

Haakon, on the other hand, is not a viable commander even with the addition of Command Beacon. There's no good mono black knights and there is literally one option of getting him out of the command zone. Can you play him? Sure. Will he see play in even 1/3 of games? Probably not. Will he do anything when he finally hits play? No.

It really doesn't matter if Xiahou or Chainer are "better" options when all we're discussing is viability.

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-25 12:56 pm 
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Withering Boon is amazing.

Stop telling people about my secret weapon.

The fewer people that are aware of its existence, the better that card is.

I'm never going to forget the game where I was playing mono-black and someone dropped some stupidly obnoxious creature down (I think it was a vorinclex), I said "Wait...", then they looked me in the eye and said "What're you gonna do, counter it?" The reaction to that play was priceless.

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-25 2:08 pm 
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Zirilan of the Claw wrote:
Epsilon wrote:
Withering Boon is amazing.

Stop telling people about my secret weapon.

The fewer people that are aware of its existence, the better that card is.

I'm never going to forget the game where I was playing mono-black and someone dropped some stupidly obnoxious creature down (I think it was a vorinclex), I said "Wait...", then they looked me in the eye and said "What're you gonna do, counter it?" The reaction to that play was priceless.


This post needs a "Like" button. And maybe a tinfoil button.

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The cards didn't just warp the way the games were played, they warped how I was conceiving and perceiving the format. That's the sign of a problem.

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The idea that you should be able to build your deck however you want and still be competitive is false, and a bad idea to have. Taken to the extreme, that's like making a deck with no removal in it, and then complaining that you can't win because stuff your opponents play gets in your way.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-26 3:33 pm 

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Epsilon wrote:
Command Beacon, Nether Void, Torpor Orb, Sundial of the Infinite, Withering Boon, Thrull Wizard (ok first "bad" card), Platinum Angel... I swear there are more but I guess they become more convoluted at that point (donating an Abyssal Persecutor with Endless Whispers which is already going to be played in Phage, Lich's Mirror, and such).

Perhaps 10 was an overstatement but seven solid options plus tutors is still perfectly viable. Nearly all of those options are extremely powerful on their own merits when built around. Torpor Orb is amazing. Withering Boon is amazing. Sundial combos with a lot of reanimator and end of turn trigger effects. None of them are dead draws once she's out.
Chalice of the Void with 7 charge counters. I use all of the above in my Phage deck. But no, Emrakul needs to remain banned for pretty much all of the reasons already gone over in this thread. Seriously, try house ruling it back in with your play group and see what happens. Or just read about what already happened prior to being banned.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 4:59 am 
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Yeah besides we have new Emrakul whom is more practical in terms of casting.

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 5:09 am 

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RaiRai wrote:
Yeah besides we have new Emrakul whom is more practical in terms of casting.

I don't even know what you're saying.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 5:54 am 
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Marit Lage wrote:
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Yeah besides we have new Emrakul whom is more practical in terms of casting.

I don't even know what you're saying.

Well you can't cast a card that's banned.

Well, I guess you could, but people are gonna look at you funny.

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 8:08 am 
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Zirilan of the Claw wrote:
Marit Lage wrote:
RaiRai wrote:
Yeah besides we have new Emrakul whom is more practical in terms of casting.

I don't even know what you're saying.

Well you can't cast a card that's banned.

Well, I guess you could, but people are gonna look at you funny.


*points to the new emmy*

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She is way better than Aeons torn!

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 8:15 am 
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RaiRai wrote:
She is way better than Aeons torn!

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 8:30 am 
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Viperion wrote:
RaiRai wrote:
She is way better than Aeons torn!

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Think about it, the ability to control opponent simply versus an extra turn, you can force them to play their then counter what you want to counter.

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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 8:41 am 

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There's nothing to think about... forcing a sacrifice of 6 permanents does far more damage than just about any mindslaver with the exception of them being at an even life total with a spellskite in hand and a targeted spell to cast.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 8:42 am 
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RaiRai wrote:
Viperion wrote:
RaiRai wrote:
She is way better than Aeons torn!

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Think about it, the ability to control opponent simply versus an extra turn, you can force them to play their then counter what you want to counter.

I wouldn't go so far as to say better. They're roughly the same. New Emrakul is probably a little weaker.

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Sheldon wrote:
The cards didn't just warp the way the games were played, they warped how I was conceiving and perceiving the format. That's the sign of a problem.

Carthain wrote:
The idea that you should be able to build your deck however you want and still be competitive is false, and a bad idea to have. Taken to the extreme, that's like making a deck with no removal in it, and then complaining that you can't win because stuff your opponents play gets in your way.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 9:17 am 

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Epsilon wrote:
an even life total with a spellskite in hand and a targeted spell to cast.

You don't even need a targeted spell. You can skite anything, even a creature.


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 Post subject: Re: Why is Emrakul still banned? - A pleading
AgePosted: 2016-Jul-28 10:29 am 

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Epsilon wrote:
There's nothing to think about... forcing a sacrifice of 6 permanents does far more damage than just about any mindslaver with the exception of them being at an even life total with a spellskite in hand and a targeted spell to cast.

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