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AgePosted: 2016-Dec-19 12:53 am 
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There hasn’t been a rules change since January. While the RC may feel the format is fine, some players feel the current meta doesn’t represent what is outlined in the philosophy document.

The document is an important tool that the community uses to try and understand the vision of the RC. Does the philosophy document still accurately represent the RC’s vision of the format? Should we expect an update to the four year old document?


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AgePosted: 2016-Dec-19 2:52 am 

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Disclaimer: I'm not the RC, this is my own opinion, etc.

One might argue that the lack of major changes is a sign that the vision of the RC lines up with their experiences playing the game.

What metagame in particular that you're talking about? Your LGS? Your playgroup? MTGO? Pick up games at GPs or other large events?

Are there parts of the philosophy document you don't feel are realistic or implementable?

I just reread the philosophy post:

http://forum.mtgcommander.net/EDH_Forum ... =1&t=12254

I don't believe it's in need of an update, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what others think here, especially dissenting (and well reasoned) opinions.

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AgePosted: 2016-Dec-19 4:22 am 
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I, too, am interested in hearing what folks have to say.

I'll add the caveat that I don't believe there is a format-wide metagame. Metagames are focused at the highest level of repeated interaction, which is probably your LGS.

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I dont think I can agree that unbanning the power 9 would be a net positive for the format. There are very few cards which are on the list for this criteria, and none of them add anything unique or interesting to the format. All of them are suped-up versions of things you can do anyway.[/quote]
I'm not inherently suggesting that we should unban the P8. Most of the cards on the list are broken and would not make the format healthier. However, the idea behind PBtE is that potential players are going to be turned off of the format because of the idea that in order to compete you need Power. This simply isn't true and there is an abundance of information to support this. What I am suggesting is that even without this PBtE mentality there are still a number of cards which would remained banned. However, if the philosophy of EDH is still that less cards on the ban list is better, and getting to play cool old cards that you can't play anywhere else, then doesn't it make sense to find a reason to not have to keep cards arbitrarily banned?


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Personally, 'no changes since January' sounds a bit odd to me when talking about rules/ban list, but not when talking about the format's philosophy. I would think that with so little change, something would show up as warping at least a specific type of deck.

The only card I see that does that in my meta that I'm curious about is . It's not broken, but it is very strong and makes a number of good field wipes useless. It's showing up in every artifact deck I see, including mine (I'm working on a second one). My play group has had some trouble with it, partly because it's indestructible, partly because it makes nearly all of the deck's creatures indestructible. It makes every nonland in my colorless artifact deck indestructible (except my commander). That kind of protection is pretty strong, especially when followed with some kind of combo or mass Shroud/Hexproof.

So my question is, is it just me, or is Darksteel Forge a card that kind of warps artifact decks? I know my view of things is a bit skewed because artifacts are what I focus on, but I'm wondering what other people see?

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Darksteel Forge is simply a reason to run more exile removal in my book. It's more annoying than broken.


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