Maluko wrote:
Do you honestly believe a competitively tuned deck has an equal number of chances of winning on turn four and on turn seven?
No, and thats not what I said. I said it does not matter in terms of other peoples fun.
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Players have more balanced resources in later turns and are able to stop combos and other degenerative plays with more ease than early turns. Not to mention you will have revealed a lot more of your strategy on later turns, so the entire table can react accordingly if they suspect you're running combo.
Quite true, but a power level issue will be there in later stages too. Taking the top off wont change that.
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And you don't need data to support that. You only need to talk to players in the same situation as me, and they will laugh at you if you show them a 'competitively tuned deck' without broken mana rocks and tutors.
I have no doubt people you play with would agree, thats due to a lack of perspective on your part, not on your view being correct. Of course they are going to play those cards, but removing a few (as has been postulated) wont have a significant outcome to people who push the envelope. You would need a large shift, which I am posting about as a net negative.
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Aren't you, like, doing the same thing right now? Disregarding the folks who are trying to reach a consensus over what should be socially acceptable for irregular playgroups?
I dont see anyone here trying to reach a consensus on whats socially acceptable, because its not possible. Thats always going to be an opinion. So people are trying to legislate their opinion as rule. And yes I am posting in defense of the rules set I see as the best. Yes the RC has setup an arbitrary ban list, as any would be. No I dont think it would be improved by catering more towards competitive play. You cant play the middle, they picked a side. I happen to be on that side.
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Besides, what evidence do you have that the current and "minimalist" ban list brings the most happiness for the format and its players? Because what I'm getting from this thread, and my own experience, is that Commander still has a long way to go to make players understand its philosophy.
I have none, but do on seek a change. People who want one should have some, or take it upon themselves to make betterment for their group. Please do so without negative impact on the rest of us. Plenty of people understand just fine, and plenty don't, but using a few of the same people making the same arguments over and over isnt representative of a larger issue without data. I don't think you have any because I think the groups who choose to play competitively, and choose to use the RCs ban list exclusively, is going to run pretty short. Those people should take some initiative and fix their issues.
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sir squab wrote:
My... history of buying Magic cards is probably a tapestry of bad financial decisions >_>
niheloim wrote:
No, I think he's right. I'm just all butt-hurt over prophet.