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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2016-Dec-30 11:09 am 

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But in addition to having something in the yard, a sac outlet, and corpse dance, you need the engine in play, and mana rocks to the value of 5 mana including 1 black. So gilded lotus plus sol ring. Thats a 5 card combo, with a set up cost of 10+ mana, seems pretty damned reasonable to me considering it can be interacted with in so many ways

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2016-Dec-30 3:03 pm 
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specter404 wrote:
But in addition to having something in the yard, a sac outlet, and corpse dance, you need the engine in play, and mana rocks to the value of 5 mana including 1 black. So gilded lotus plus sol ring. Thats a 5 card combo, with a set up cost of 10+ mana, seems pretty damned reasonable to me considering it can be interacted with in so many ways

This.

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Intruder Alarm requires mana dorks

To make infinite mana, yes. It also goes off with, say, Kiki-Jiki or my old favorite, Drowner of Secrets and Stonybrook Schoolmaster. And for the record, both of those can come out of nowhere (with 9 mana I can go from empty board to mill everyone in 1 turn).

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AgePosted: 2017-Jan-20 11:54 am 

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-20 1:52 pm 

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frogomatik wrote:

I like him, but don't think you're often casting spells, especially not the stax/Null Brooch players.


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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-21 1:26 am 
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frogomatik wrote:

Arcum Daggson is a giant arse with or without Paradox Engine.

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-21 1:25 pm 

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Apart from being really problematic with Selvala 2.0, today I learned that with enough mana rocks/dorks and Cloudstone Curio, literally any deck can become a combo deck. Why the hell not? Kind of feels like jamming Vault/Key juat because you can.


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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-23 1:34 am 
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To be fair, Cloudstone Curio already made pretty much any deck a combo deck.

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-23 2:04 am 

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Sid the Chicken wrote:
To be fair, Cloudstone Curio already made pretty much any deck a combo deck.


Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-23 4:16 am 
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zimagic wrote:
Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Jan-23 5:54 am 

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Sid the Chicken wrote:
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I want to be all serious defending the Curio because I love it, but, yeah, it' got shennanigans written all over it.

There's possibly the arguament that you have to build your deck a certain way to really benefit but realistically, ETB effects are so prevalent that all you need is some mana and a couple of dorks. Add in something that breaks the rules of the game in some way and you're already there.

I was going to argue that you need less things with Curio than PE but you likely just need different things, all of which are commonly played. It's possible that the incidental combos/synergies that PE enables are slightly more common, but that would just be arguing shades of grey rather than whether the zone was even grey in the first place, which is quite obviously is in both cases.

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Feb-02 10:43 am 

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This card is beyond broken. I put it in my Atraxa and Daretti decks just to make a point and it's beyond disgusting anytime it sees the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Feb-02 8:11 pm 

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twesterm wrote:
This card is beyond broken. I put it in my Atraxa and Daretti decks just to make a point and it's beyond disgusting anytime it sees the board.


Curious: Did you just put it into those decks as they were already built or did you make changes based on you adding the Engine to the deck?

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Feb-03 5:59 pm 

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zimagic wrote:
twesterm wrote:
This card is beyond broken. I put it in my Atraxa and Daretti decks just to make a point and it's beyond disgusting anytime it sees the board.


Curious: Did you just put it into those decks as they were already built or did you make changes based on you adding the Engine to the deck?


Daretti - zero changes. The last game I played I had a few mana rocks, throne of geth, and spine. The game was over at that point without even needing Daretti (he had been rightfully hated on the entire game).

Atraxa - I added a few cheap mana rocks, but it didn't make a lot of difference. It already had the big ones that make all the difference-- mana vault, grim monolith, guilded lotus in there.

The card is just plain bonkers. If it hits the board and I untap, I will likely play my entire hand. It's as dangerous of a card as Omniscience.


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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Feb-04 10:11 am 
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twesterm wrote:
If it hits the board and I untap, I will likely play my entire hand. It's as dangerous of a card as Omniscience.

OK... now what makes it worse than any of the dozens of other ways to vomit your hand onto the table or combo the entire board out?

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 Post subject: Re: Paradox Engine 0_o
AgePosted: 2017-Feb-07 9:54 am 

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Paradox engine = omniscience is a bit of an oversimplification. I can see it acting like omniscience when you have the right set up, but that set up always includes at least two other cards, usually big mana rocks.

It also always comes with the caveat "if I untap", paradox engine should be killed whenever possible, it provides a big advantage, but broken? I just dont see it, not by itself.

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