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Author:  mindjester [ 2017-Jan-10 5:28 am ]
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So in my local area I've seen lgs play competitive 1 v 1 best of 3 non french edh tournaments. so I'm asking how is playing either sol ring/crypt a bad thing? if everyone has assess to a sol ring or crypt in a competitive meta how is that bad? they over printed the hell out of sol rings and crypts was printed in EMa so more of them out there. They haven't banned it at my local store but i love playing competitively i view it as challenging myself.

What is edh to you? Edh to me brings me back to the old vintage days. If you didn't win by turn 1 ,2 or 3 your playing wrong. its a way for me to play old cards i enjoyed back in day. such as sol ring crypt and my favorite card Timetwister.

How competitive are you? Im vary competitive, In my honest opinion i enjoy a good challenge i always ask for a game from people. I've even played standard or modern vs my edh deck with limitations on my end its always fun to see what they do lol.

What brought you into playing edh? When i was stationed in Gulfport, Ms, i came to this card shop Jaks. i met few people and i saw old cards such as sol ring and mana crypt this was like vary long time ago lol and i asked what kinda format you guys playing. Since back then i called t1 (vintage) t.5 (extended) t2 (standard). They said its a new format called edh. i asked whats edh they said elder dragon highlander. I was like whats restrictions rules of this format, they explained i was like instantly hooked i was playing with there decks at the time using jund color general forgot name lol till i made my own.

Author:  kirkusjones [ 2017-Jan-10 5:41 am ]
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The style of play you've described is generally frowned upon around here, though it's closer to what I play with my friends than a lot of other people who post with any regularity. I think fast mana and the general approach of "singleton vintage" with color restrictions is a fun way to play, as long as your whole group is on board with that plan. Disparity within a playgroup about what is fun seems to me to be the biggest source of frustration among players with the format.

Author:  Sovarius [ 2017-Jan-10 4:05 pm ]
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Crypt and Ring are banned in Duel Commander because they put so far ahead of the other person, and there isn't a couple of other guys to help you slow them down when they explode out of the game. Similarly, the Moxes are also banned in DC.

I have been toying on and off and talking myself up to making my Mishra deck built around Vintage banned list but no one else would ever play it with me so i don't think it's a good use of time and resources.

Last week i got play a t1 Metalworker off Mishra's Workshop and it felt like Vintage. (except Metalworker being generally unplayable in Vintage)

Author:  Sid the Chicken [ 2017-Jan-10 4:13 pm ]
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mindjester wrote:
how is playing either sol ring/crypt a bad thing? if everyone has assess to a sol ring or crypt in a competitive meta how is that bad?

If it's 1v1, a turn 1 ring/crypt is often a turn 1 win. That is the problem. I don't mean that literally, but early fast mana with no other players to help contain it can quickly get out of hand and become unstoppable.

mindjester wrote:
If you didn't win by turn 1 ,2 or 3 your playing wrong.

Well, if that's how you want to play, good on you, but count me out of it. I like a game that takes an hour or two to finish and isn't a "who can combo out fastest" contest. That's not worth getting 4 people together for.

Author:  foolx [ 2017-Jan-10 10:55 pm ]
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mindjester wrote:
If you didn't win by turn 1 ,2 or 3 your playing wrong.


Maybe EDH isn't the right format for you?

Author:  niheloim [ 2017-Jan-11 12:47 am ]
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In Vintage there are counters, both literal and figurative, that are going to be more consistent than in 1v1 EDH. This is why Sol Ring is banned in all serious 1v1 environments and not in multiplayer.

Multiplayer has a number of built in safeguards that allow it to function with its large cardpool- namely multiple opponents and the social contract. We have a banned list that sets the minimum for what to expect and the rest is set by the playgroup (which is what every EDH player should be a part of).

If competitive EDH is what your group is ok with then do it, but I don't think that is the norm. EDH players are pretty casual in general- they are looking for an interactive play experience over a fast-win.

Author:  RaiRai [ 2017-Jan-11 4:16 pm ]
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Personally I enjoy commander for the most part because its legacy format and being keen to legacy as I am, I find mixing some of the old with the new is fun way to screw with other players. In my Witch colored deck, just for laughs I decided to add Dimensional Breach in because I have greater options than I do modern. I can also find cheap cards for the most part.

Author:  Drrakus [ 2017-Jan-12 4:45 am ]
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Part of what I enjoy about commander is that the games take longer, making them feel more meaningful and interesting. The singleton style also makes it easier to improve the deck in the long run, because there's no buying four of an expensive card. Competitive play isn't something I look at much.

The part that really keeps me staying with EDH is the examples set by the Commander sets. Every pre-built deck has had at least three choices for the deck's commander, with all three being viable in the deck. I normally try to build my decks around that example of having three separate commander choices, because that makes deck building more fun because I'm not focusing it around one card.

mindjester wrote:
What is edh to you? Edh to me brings me back to the old vintage days. If you didn't win by turn 1 ,2 or 3 your playing wrong. its a way for me to play old cards i enjoyed back in day. such as sol ring crypt and my favorite card Timetwister.


I'm going to assume you're talking about what I've heard the 'old days' were once described to me as and not commander games. The 'old days' being where the early game was the coin flip, the mid game being the mulligan, and the late game being the turn 1 or 2 Channel/Fireball combo (Or something equally broken). At least, that's what I heard the 'old days' were like. That worked 1v1 where anyone could have four of every piece of their combo, but I enjoy that commander's singleton/multiplayer format doesn't give much room for that sort of strategy.

Author:  Nigerian Prince [ 2017-Jan-12 8:51 pm ]
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mindjester wrote:
What is edh to you? Edh to me brings me back to the old vintage days. If you didn't win by turn 1 ,2 or 3 your playing wrong. its a way for me to play old cards i enjoyed back in day. such as sol ring crypt and my favorite card Timetwister.

How competitive are you? Im vary competitive, In my honest opinion i enjoy a good challenge i always ask for a game from people. I've even played standard or modern vs my edh deck with limitations on my end its always fun to see what they do lol.


I like using old cards from my early MTG years to. Cards like Recycle, when art could still be funny.

I'm competitive in every game I play, be it EDH or something else. It's really hard for me to let my 3yo win in games I play with him :-D

Because I also enjoy long games, I do self regulation when building a deck (Ravnica old & new only, or strictly tribal, or gold cards only, stuff like that). I keep the power level of my decks relatively mediocre, so when I play, I can be as ruthless as I want.

Author:  majikal [ 2017-Jan-14 2:49 am ]
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My favorite thing about this format is that we get to use all these old, iconic, busted cards to do things that wouldn't be considered "good" in more competitive formats. Last week I cast Imperial Seal to go get a Soul Warden. That's the kind of play that I live for.

Author:  topramen [ 2017-Jan-15 8:06 pm ]
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My normal play group is a bit more on the competitive side. Not full on tournament play but some of our deck could be considered strong even for tournament play.

My favorite things about EDH:
1. It works with my crazy schedule so I am able to play magic with friends
2. No rotation and not tournament competitive where wins and losses mean anything
3. Decks can be built any number of ways, and doesn't require to be streamlined for tournament play. (see a theme here?)
4. Maybe the most important: I can spend as little or as much money as I want to play the game how I want to play it and enjoy all the cards from all of magic's history, new and old.

I do want to add, that contrary to previous statements I do enjoy competitive play. But I enjoy being able to use the big crazy card and ind card interactions that you can't have in any of the competitive formats more.

Author:  Sid the Chicken [ 2017-Jan-16 5:31 am ]
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majikal wrote:
Last week I cast Imperial Seal to go get a Soul Warden. That's the kind of play that I live for.


Every time I hear a story like that, it reminds me of this one;



He's sitting on nine mana, looking for one more land so he can cast and crack Mindslaver in the same turn, hence not letting his opponent get a chance to obliterate the Slaver before it goes online. His opponent casts Fireball, gets him down to 8, and then casts Eternal Witness and returns Fireball with nine mana up next turn. My friend frowns at this situation, but draws his card hoping to hit a land or some other solution. His Draw was Tooth and Nail and he had the mana to cast and entwine it. However, the question was What to get? Darksteel Colossus wouldn't work and he didn't have a Platinum Angel in the deck to fetch, let alone have it stick long enough to find a solution to the Fireball. However, he remembered that he had a pair of Bottle Gnomes stashed away in the deck somewhere, so he decides to put his chips down. He taps his mana, and declares in the loudest voice he could make while being within tournament standards, "Tooth and Nail, Entwined for Bottle Gnomes." EVERYBODY, including the head judge, rushed for the table to see if they heard right. They did, and my friend drops a pair of Beverages on the field.

The opponent draws, and then starts to look flustered. No matter how he figured the math, he could not kill him this turn. So he drops a creature (I forgot what it was!) and passes turn. My friend's turn, draws a Forest (which he still has framed in his house) and lays it down and cracks slaver. He takes his opponent's turn, swings into his bottle gnomes, wipes field, and burns himself with the Fireball. It's then a complete swing for my friend, concluding the match in my friend's favor.

After the match, my friend picks up his cards and heads to his next match, or at least to wait for it. The opponent sits there, cards still laid out on the table, untouched, unmoving. Five minutes later, a friend of the opponent walks up and says "Hey man, what happened?" The opponent, without even blinking or moving just mumbles:

"Bottle Gnomes."

Author:  charlequin [ 2017-Jan-16 1:21 pm ]
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mindjester wrote:
So in my local area I've seen lgs play competitive 1 v 1 best of 3 non french edh tournaments. so I'm asking how is playing either sol ring/crypt a bad thing?

It's bad because if you get one (or heaven forfend, both) at the very start of the game and no one else does, you're playing on a totally different level of resources than they are and that can often lead to a lopsided, uninteractive game. How much that problem outweighs anything else (including the entirely legitimate exciting aspect of playing these cards) is very much up for debate, but there's certainly a real factor at play in people's objections.

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