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AgePosted: 2017-Oct-19 9:30 pm 

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Is an option, but It is an option I have right because of the rules?

Let me explain a little better (english is not my natal tongue so I may have dificulties to make my point)

Because EDH is a social game every playgroup can do whatever they want, If I want to play griselbrand and my friends allowed it then there is no problem, is our choice but .. officially Grisel is not allowed so I have not the right to demand they to allow me to play it.

Sensei's divining top is allowed to play, if my friends dislike it they can ask me not to use it but they are not entitile to "force" a ban.

What I want to know if I can go and have a sideboard because rules says is optional and no one can argue against that officialy

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AgePosted: 2017-Oct-20 1:27 am 

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I get your position but I have questions: Why is having a sideboard so important and why are your opponents refusing to let you have one?

The reason for sideboards in Magic are to attack different 1v1 match-ups with cards that are better suited to that particular match-up. Commander is a 1v2 or 1v3 or more format. What cards do you need to sideboard that won't be relevant somewhere in a game? If they are relevant, why are you not including them in your maindeck?

Part of the format is knowing what your deck can do or building it to do something particular. If you know you want a card in your sideboard, maybe you should probably want it in your 99 instead?

That's the game, building an interesting deck and bringing that deck to game night. Not bring that deck and the 20 additional options you could have included if you had known you'd be playing Deck X, Y, & Z.

My opinion: Forget about sideboards, make those hard deck-building choices, update your deck as you play it.

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I play a mardu deck, last time in a table of 4 there was a monoblue that just played alone, he controlled us all, we didnt got to resolve abolute nothing useful, and the game ended after more than one hour of nothing doing nothing except for the monoblue player that took turn after turn.

After more than one hour of boring, we concede while we all where in 35+ life

I want to sideboard cards like , and wich are just dead cards in the main.

I main as a "counter" but if I am not going against blue Is still relevant

But, this things are not what the topic is about, I still dont know if I can "demand my right of using the optional sideboard" or not

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AgePosted: 2017-Oct-20 3:17 am 
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Officially, by default, sideboards are not a thing in Commander.

If you want to use one, you're going to need to get your playgroup to adopt house rules for them.


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AgePosted: 2017-Oct-20 4:49 am 

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Well, thanks for your answer

It is sad because if the sideboards were an oficial optional thing we would have an easier way to do things.

I will never play in the same table with a monoblue player if I cannot sideboard and that may be unfriendly to do, but if we are allowed by the rules to the optional side that is just not an issue.

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Given Commander is a Casual format, your sideboard consists of every card you have with you, that is not in the deck or your commander as you start the game.

As for your blue mage... If the other two seem to share your opinion about him/her playing with him/herself, there's a simple sentence you could try: "Okay [insert name], you win and we're playing on for 2nd place now."
That way, your game becomes much more enjoyable (for you three) and your blue mage can revel in his/her victory while waiting an hour or two for your next game. Win-win situation, I guess?

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Well looking at the cards you are thinking of boarding (, , and ) there are a few similar cards that you can run which aren't dead if nobody is playing blue.

Instead of you can run . It can hit all s versus the blue player, or it can be used to take out a strong non-basic like .

Instead of and you can run (you can still target a non-blue instant to "cycle it") and (multiple uses if nobody is playing blue).

and are both good on their own and are very strong against counter-heavy blue.

However, with the amount of time you actually get to play commander, it seems like the policy of avoiding that player may just be more prudent (or at least avoid him when he is playing that deck).

Unfortunately, the idea of sideboarding is kind of awkward in commander (and outside of a tournament in general because there isn't really the idea of 'presenting' your decks).

If you sit down and start pulling out of the sideboard, what do you do when he sees that and decides to switch decks, then you go, huh, don't want that now and start to take it out, and then he switches back to the blue deck. Outside of the tournament rules, this is very hard to regulate.

Do players not reveal generals until all sideboarding is done? (makes it into an awkward guessing game, or just screws over the guy with only one deck).
Do players reveal generals and then everyone sideboards? (allowing everyone to gang up on one player by hating them out of the game).
Do you not sideboard until the second game? (This assumes you are playing more than one game and with the exact same people and decks).

As far as I know, the only reason sideboards were considered for commander is to make the type cards playable. Non-wish sideboarding for commander is like sideboarding for game 1 of a tournament match... it just doesn't make sense.

As someone who has many decks, I will often change decks if someone is playing a deck that I don't feel like I can do anything against (of course asking first, like "Hey, I don't think I am going to be able to have a fighting chance with this deck when you are playing that one. Is it OK if I switch to something that I think will make for a better game?" -- note that if you use this to switch into a deck that completely hoses theirs you won't get positive reactions to do this again in the future). Not everyone has the resources to field many decks though, so this isn't an option for anyone.

Also, if the guy who is stomping you has multiple decks that are all tuned to higher power levels you might ask to borrow one, or go the other way and offer to lend him a deck that is tuned to a lower level.


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I would love to have several EDHs deck, but I have only one completed, until I find more time to play I cannot invest a lot in other decks.

My deck is fine tunned, and in my main I run , and even

But you have to be able to resolve those things, I run also
Casting my general with a counter-backup () is awesome.

If the blue player runs a reasonable ammount of counters (6-8) is one thing and Ill never side in, but the monoblue plays 16-18, plus recursions, bounces and steal effects.

The game I told you about was really annoying for everyone (except for the blue mage), we actually didnt got to resolve nothing relevant

As for your suggestions, wake of destructions seems nice, I remain unconviced of the speed (sorcery) vs the instant of boil (the 2 extra reds are fine) but I will take it in consideration, burnout seems very good

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I mean again, I don't think sideboards make a whole lot of sense in EDH, but the social aspect of the format lets you do thinks that would never fly in a tournament.

You might go ahead and bring along those cards and then if you run into the same guy again ask him something like "Hey you beat us pretty good last time, is it OK if I add in some cards just for this game to give you more of a run for your money?"

If he says no, feel free not to play with him again, because it sounds like playing the same game again without any changes would be a waste of your time.

That's as far as I would go though, because I would imagine trying to introduce official sideboards in your group would end up being a nightmare.


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