[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
MTG Commander/Elder Dragon Highlander • View topic - We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host

Login | Register


All times are UTC - 7 hours


It is currently 2020-Jan-17 7:12 am




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 76 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-May-16 2:35 am 

Joined: 2009-Apr-21 3:38 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Palm Springs Area, CA
My mono red deck is a lot like my mono blue when it comes to mana production.

It almost always makes a ton, but in a very fragile way.

Caged Sun, Gauntlet of Power/Might, Extraplanar Lens, and the best mana rocks mean I'm alway making loads of mana.

Do I expect Godo to be played with this combo? Yes. Do I expect it will take over and deserve a ban? No. Because its relatively boring and going to be completely obvious when its coming if Godo is in the command zone. If this is your plan to victory I would expect people to opt out of games with you after a point.

_________________
3DH4L1F3


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-May-16 3:03 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2006-Dec-31 12:26 pm
Age: Elder Dragon


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-May-16 5:10 am 

Joined: 2012-Mar-31 11:52 am
Age: Elder Dragon
He at least deserves credit for 'poor little sausage'. I hadn't heard that expression before.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-May-16 5:36 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2017-Mar-11 6:43 am
Age: Dragon


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-May-16 8:24 am 
EDH Rules Committee

Joined: 2006-May-18 5:21 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
OK, people need to calm down. And calling someone a poor little sausage is definitely out of line and needs to stop. Spoiler: doing stuff like that makes it much harder for us to take you seriously.

The Helm/Godo interaction is the kind of thing that theoretically could be an issue. We haven't had a Commander who is capable of tutoring out their companion combo card before. I think we'd likely ban a Commander with "Kicker 5: win the game" and, while this is not that, it's parallel enough to justify keeping an eye on.

However, theory here isn't enough. We'd want to see that this is happening in practice, and it isn't just getting stomped all over because it's a heavily-telegraphed commander with a lot of easy answers, or being widely eschewed as not all that good/interesting. So it's not a problem, but it has potential.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-23 11:28 pm 

Joined: 2008-Aug-08 6:34 am
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Rouen, France

_________________
Current decks:
Sydri's random pile of cards with "Artifact" on them
Scarab God Zombie Horde
Sissay 5c Superfriends
Morophon Eldrazi (5C Devoid)
Grenzo's Goblins


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-24 12:40 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2006-Dec-31 12:26 pm
Age: Elder Dragon


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-24 1:26 pm 
User avatar

Joined: 2011-Feb-07 3:37 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Danbury, CT

_________________
The deck-o-pedia


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-24 5:43 pm 

Joined: 2008-Aug-08 6:34 am
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Rouen, France

_________________
Current decks:
Sydri's random pile of cards with "Artifact" on them
Scarab God Zombie Horde
Sissay 5c Superfriends
Morophon Eldrazi (5C Devoid)
Grenzo's Goblins


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-25 3:59 am 

Joined: 2017-Dec-23 4:51 am
Age: Wyvern
Well, I think that Godo isn't the problem.

Helmet of the Host is a crazily broken card for EDH. You guys are talking about a combo with Godo, but any Equipment-based deck can abuse it easily.

"But it costs 5 to equip!"

Ok, but let's talk about Boros decks? Boros decks have Sigarda's Aid, Stonehewer Giant, Stoneforge Mystic to make this come true. Aurelia can easily make end the game as soon as it enters the battlefield using this card - and it flies.

In the other hand, combos based on attacking can easily be disrupted by StoP, Path, Soul Nova, Settle the Wreckage, Strip Bare, Wing Shards, or anything that makes the creature or the equipment get back to it's owner's hand.

Is it worth the ban? I haven't seen it being abused more hardly than Sword of Feast and Famine + Aggravated Assault up to now.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-25 7:40 am 

Joined: 2012-Oct-24 8:05 pm
Age: Drake


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-25 11:42 am 

Joined: 2012-Mar-31 11:52 am
Age: Elder Dragon


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-26 2:09 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2012-Sep-16 3:17 am
Age: Elder Dragon
There are over 150 creatures with power 3+ and first strike/doublestrike. 43 of them that can be Commanders. A lot of these cards (, ) are considered EDH staples and are likely to be in a deck (not to mention cards that give those abilities or are the said keyrune).

Plus there are tons (you can literally count them by the 2,000s) of ways to stop this combo from going off from removal, fogs, theft, etc. where even if it delays it 2 turns, gets you a lot of ire from the other table players.

I don't see this as anything worse than Arcum, Zur, Sliver Queen, etc.

I think the linchpin for me is that it has to happen in the combat phase and can't be executed at instant speed like a good amount of other combos. Because of that, I see a lot of opportunity for disruption from other players. If we've learned how to deal with the other search engine Commanders I don't see this being an issue either.

BTW I am now going to call everyone a little sausage.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-26 2:16 am 

Joined: 2008-Jun-29 8:18 am
Age: Drake
mmm sausage


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: We need to talk about Godo and/or Helm of the Host
AgePosted: 2018-Oct-26 3:41 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2011-Jan-16 5:36 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Toronto, ON
These are some very good arguments for the unbanning of at least , if not as well.

_________________
Check out my old column, Generally Speaking, at CommanderCast.com
http://www.commandercast.com/category/a ... y-speaking

Follow me on Twitter: @generalspeak


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 76 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron