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 Post subject: RULES - No changes? What about the Mulligan?
AgePosted: 2019-Jul-09 8:55 pm 
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I just wanted to point out that the last time the Mulligan was changed to the Vancouver Mulligan, it had its own section in the Banned List Announcement:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057

Now that we change to London Mulligan, it doesn't get mentioned anywhere in the Banned List Update, or in the whole Rules Announcements Forum.
Has it been forgotten? Will it be announced on friday, when M20 officially hits the shelves?

And also, I would still like to hear an answer to the question:
With the new London Mulligan, is this advice still viable?
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Finally, it’s not an official rule, but we recommend setting aside the hands you're mulliganning away until you get a keeper. That saves shuffling time, and we're all for minimizing shuffling 100-card decks.


It seems to be a bit more abusable with the new Mulligan rule, so I wonder if you, the RC, are still in for this.


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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-09 10:15 pm 
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The Vancouver Mulligan change had its own section in the rules announcement at the tine because the EDH rules actually changed at that point: EDH had previously defined its own mulligan which was completely different to the standard MTG mulligan. Then the EDH rules changed to define no mulligan rule at all—which means we just use the base game mulligan rules.

This time there is no section about the mulligan because no EDH rules have changed. EDH still has no mulligan rule defined. We still use the base game mulligan rules. The base game mulligan rules have changed, but the announcement to that was on the WotC site, not here. Note that the EDH RC doesn't announce other base game rules changes either.

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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-10 10:06 am 
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KitsuLeif wrote:
I just wanted to point out that the last time the Mulligan was changed to the Vancouver Mulligan, it had its own section in the Banned List Announcement:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057

When that announcement was made, the official EDH mulligan was not the same thing as the official magic mulligan rules, and at that time they opted to just do things the way everyone else does.

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 Post subject: Re: RULES - No changes? What about the Mulligan?
AgePosted: 2019-Jul-11 9:59 am 
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KitsuLeif wrote:
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Finally, it’s not an official rule, but we recommend setting aside the hands you're mulliganning away until you get a keeper. That saves shuffling time, and we're all for minimizing shuffling 100-card decks.


It seems to be a bit more abusable with the new Mulligan rule, so I wonder if you, the RC, are still in for this.


Sure, seems fine. Shuffle before you put cards on the bottom.

Keep in mind that the RC usually uses the London Mulligan without the part where you put stuff on the bottom.


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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-11 8:24 pm 
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papa_funk wrote:
Sure, seems fine. Shuffle before you put cards on the bottom.

Keep in mind that the RC usually uses the London Mulligan without the part where you put stuff on the bottom.


Thank you for answering!

So you take mulligans by setting unwanted hands aside, until you keep a hand, then set aside a number of cards, equal to the number of non-free mulligans you took and then shuffle everything set aside in? Sounds good!


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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-11 10:49 pm 
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(Speaking for papa_funk here, but I know this is the way Sheldon and his group do it)

They use the "Gis" mulligan which is: Draw 7. If you don't like it, Draw 7. If you don't like it, Draw 7. Don't abuse this mulligan. (Shuffling in between draws may or may not happen depending on the group).

It's obviously no good for anyone who has even the slightest hint of a competitive mindset, but it works for casual groups. It's what my local group uses.

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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-12 8:38 am 
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KitsuLeif wrote:
papa_funk wrote:
Sure, seems fine. Shuffle before you put cards on the bottom.

Keep in mind that the RC usually uses the London Mulligan without the part where you put stuff on the bottom.


Thank you for answering!

So you take mulligans by setting unwanted hands aside, until you keep a hand, then set aside a number of cards, equal to the number of non-free mulligans you took and then shuffle everything set aside in? Sounds good!


Yeah, as Viperion said, we don't set aside. We just keep the 7.


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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-12 10:23 pm 

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papa_funk wrote:

Sure, seems fine. Shuffle before you put cards on the bottom.

Keep in mind that the RC usually uses the London Mulligan without the part where you put stuff on the bottom.

Maybe Commander needs its own rule again to accommodate the 99 card deck size. It could amount to "If you would take a mulligan, take it by putting the cards in your hand on the bottom of your library instead of shuffling them into your library. Once the cards in your hand become your opening hand, if you took a mulligan, shuffle your library."

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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-13 2:10 am 
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MMLgamer wrote:
papa_funk wrote:

Sure, seems fine. Shuffle before you put cards on the bottom.

Keep in mind that the RC usually uses the London Mulligan without the part where you put stuff on the bottom.

Maybe Commander needs its own rule again to accommodate the 99 card deck size. It could amount to "If you would take a mulligan, take it by putting the cards in your hand on the bottom of your library instead of shuffling them into your library. Once the cards in your hand become your opening hand, if you took a mulligan, shuffle your library."


The problem is that that ends with "Don't abuse this."and that's not something that can go into the rules.

Also, the current mulligan rule is fine. We avoid adding rules that aren't needed.


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AgePosted: 2019-Jul-22 12:57 pm 
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MMLgamer wrote:
"If you would take a mulligan, take it by putting the cards in your hand on the bottom of your library instead of shuffling them into your library. Once the cards in your hand become your opening hand, if you took a mulligan, shuffle your library."

That's basically how we do it at the LGS... put them aside, draw a new 7, repeat until playable, then shuffle. Shuffling for every mulligan would be incredibly tedious. But like Papa_funk said, this hinges on the idea that you're not going to mull until god hand, and that's not something that could be an official rule.

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