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AgePosted: 2008-Jan-25 9:14 am 

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Based on a very literal reading of the current EDH rules, only a five colour deck can play with the Bringers.

If my interpretation is correct, is this something that should be reviewed? There's already a rule in place to stop you from generating mana outside of your General's colours, so you couldn't 'cheat' out a Bringer for WUBRG in a deck that isn't five colour.

Sorry if this has been discussed in the past.


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I'm pretty sure they are legal, you just need to pay their full cost unless your deck is 5 color. I could be wrong though..

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There is a special exemption for all of the bringers. Bringer of the Black Dawn is a black card for the purposes of EDH, for example.

Ignore the five colored mana symbols on Bringers.


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I like how you'll make special exemptions for the Bringers, but not allow you to play colors in a General's text box as opposed to only their CC (Memnarch, Bosh, et al.)


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I didn't make the exemption.

Others did.

Yes, I have a problem with it.

But it's not my call.

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matthew wrote:
There is a special exemption for all of the bringers. Bringer of the Black Dawn is a black card for the purposes of EDH, for example.

Ignore the five colored mana symbols on Bringers.


Is that a house rule then? It's definitely not in the official rules.


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tarnar wrote:
matthew wrote:
There is a special exemption for all of the bringers. Bringer of the Black Dawn is a black card for the purposes of EDH, for example.

Ignore the five colored mana symbols on Bringers.


Is that a house rule then? It's definitely not in the official rules.


The Bringer exemption was actually part of the official rules at some point, and was accidentally omitted when they were transferred to their current site. At some point we noticed that this had occured, but decided that there wasn't really a pressing need to add the exemption back into the official rules. So technically allowing Bringers is now a house rule, but I doubt anyone's really going to care.


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RobRoy wrote:
The Bringer exemption was actually part of the official rules at some point, and was accidentally omitted when they were transferred to their current site. At some point we noticed that this had occured, but decided that there wasn't really a pressing need to add the exemption back into the official rules. So technically allowing Bringers is now a house rule, but I doubt anyone's really going to care.


There we go. Out go the Bringers from my decks!


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matthew wrote:
RobRoy wrote:
The Bringer exemption was actually part of the official rules at some point, and was accidentally omitted when they were transferred to their current site. At some point we noticed that this had occured, but decided that there wasn't really a pressing need to add the exemption back into the official rules. So technically allowing Bringers is now a house rule, but I doubt anyone's really going to care.


There we go. Out go the Bringers from my decks!


Crap, I was enjoying the red and blue ones in my Jhoira deck, but I couldn't figure out what to cut for the foil Stitch in Time and the other card I was trying to squeeze in there. I guess that makes it easier.

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RobRoy wrote:
tarnar wrote:
matthew wrote:
There is a special exemption for all of the bringers. Bringer of the Black Dawn is a black card for the purposes of EDH, for example.

Ignore the five colored mana symbols on Bringers.


Is that a house rule then? It's definitely not in the official rules.


The Bringer exemption was actually part of the official rules at some point, and was accidentally omitted when they were transferred to their current site. At some point we noticed that this had occured, but decided that there wasn't really a pressing need to add the exemption back into the official rules. So technically allowing Bringers is now a house rule, but I doubt anyone's really going to care.
You guys should really just re-add it!

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matthew wrote:
I didn't make the exemption.
Others did.
Yes, I have a problem with it.
But it's not my call.
I like your memory. Very long. Admirable.


I didn't mean "you" you.


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yawg07 wrote:
You guys should really just re-add it!


Is there any real reason why they should? It's worse than split mana symbols, if you ask me, and those are banned.

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Sclone wrote:
Is there any real reason why they should? It's worse than split mana symbols, if you ask me, and those are banned.


Why they should: Timmy creatures, especially overcosted 9 mana 5/5 trample beaters, should be legal. My opinion only, of course. I would think the discussion should be on why the Bringers aren't worthy of some rules wigglespace, considering the flavour and focus of the format.

In a mono-red deck a Red Bringer is a red permanent, a Boros Guildmage is a red/white permanent. While the mana rules keep you from being able to use the White activated ability on the hybrid cards, you still effectively get to run a card that's outside of the General's colours.

In my opinion hybrid mana is real violation of the flavour of the format, while a Big Fat Mono-coloured Dude isn't.

Of course, I'm sure there are a few cards out there that kick this flavour based rule right in the junk and aren't banned / given EDH-errata.


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It's more analogous to a card like Altar of Shadows, which is also not legal in a mono-red deck, despite not being a colour other than red.


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We've had this conversation concerning cards like Memnarch and Bosh, as well.


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