Ok.. so here is a situation I have come up with... and I think I know how it works, but I would love some clarification for when/ if it happens.

I play Primal Surge. Nobody counters it... so the spell resolves, and then I start revealing cards and putting them into play. If my deck contains nothing but permanents, I can put my whole deck into play...so, here are some questions.

1) When is the first time someone can put something on the stack? Do I have to finish the Primal Surge or when someone sees something they don't like, can they respond to it coming into play with a swords or grip or something?
2) As cards are being put into play, all the ETB effects trigger, now do they effects go on the stack untill I am done with Primal Surge, or do they resolve as they hit as they enter the battlefield, or do I get to choose?
3) When would I have to pay extra ETB costs for cards like Minion Reflector?
4) What choices would I have for clone effects? All the creatures that are in play when Surge is done or only those that were put into play before the clone was put into play?
5) If a Mystic Snake is revealed and put into play, what does the counterspell have the ability to target? Can I wait untill I am done the surge and choose something my opponents have cast, or do I just not get a target?
6) Once the spell has resolved, that is cast and not countered, can the effect be stopped?

Thanks for the responses.... I am just not too sure how this card interacts with the stack... It feels like everything would go on the stack as I am not passing priority because I am still the active player, and I am still "doing" the spell cast... and then when I say "done", then people have a chance to respond to all the stuff that just came into play.

That being said, it gets fuzzy for me because they are all coming into play as a result of one spell, so all the cards would "see" each other ETB, So if I had a Doubling Season put into play, and then a Deranged Hermit, it wouldn't matter what order they came into play, at the end I would still put 8 tokens into play instead of 4.

While you are in the middle of resolving a spell, nobody can do anything except watch the spell resolve.
Triggers are created immediately after the triggering event (in the middle of resolving the spell in this case). They are not put onto the stack until immediately before players receive priority after the spell finishes resolving. This is also when you choose the order the triggers go onto the stack and any targets or modes for those triggers.
These are triggers, so same as 2.
Only those that were in play before the Clone. Clone has a replacement effect that you need to resolve before you can put it on the battlefield (not a trigger).
See 2.
Once a spell is resolving, it's resolving. See 1.

Also, you have this half-correct.

The order for those two doesn't matter because one is a trigger, which will resolve later.

However, the cards do not enter all at once. They enter in order, one at a time. This is why Clone can pick things that you put into play during prior portions of resolving the spell.

In addition to this, state-based actions will be checked before triggered abilities are put onto the stack--which might be relevant if an opponent has Elesh Norn or something like that out.

If there was a card which literally prevented players from putting permanents onto the battlefield without involving triggered abilities, it could technically stop Primal Surge "in the middle of resolving"; however, I can't think of a card which does it. I just wanted to point out if at any point you can't put a permanent revealed by Primal Surge (such as an Aura without a target) or choose not to put a permanent into play, then Primal Surge finishes resolving.

I had more to say, but crokaycete kinda beat me to the punch with most of it.

So the spell has not actually resolved until I have put all the cards I want from my deck into play, or I hit a non permanent card.



So everytime a creature enters the battlefield, if it has an ETB effect, it creates a trigger, but once the spell finishes resolving, I get to choose what order they go onto the stack? They don't go onto the stack in the order they were revealed/ put into play?

Any triggered abilities you control will be put onto the stack first in any order you decide. Then, in turn order, each other player will put any triggered abilities they control onto the stack in any order they choose (if there is any). This is not determined by the order with which permanents entered the battlefield.

Of course they will resolve FILO, so say I had a Deranged Hermit, Chancellor of the Forge, and say a Purphoros, God of the Forge ETB from the surge (in any order)... I could choose to put Purphoros on the stack, then Chancellor and then Hermit, so when the stack resolves, I would get 4 squirrels tokens, one hermit, 6 goblin tokens, one Chancellor, and do 24 damage to each opponent.

But then if I had Minion Reflector in play due to the surge, I would have to activate that ability (pay 2 mana for each creature I want to copy) to put the ETB effect of the creature on the stack after the Surge resolves (I am done putting stuff onto the battlefield) but before I am stacking triggers, or would I have to pay to add to the stack when I wanted the trigger to go on the stack?

Plus, would I only be able to create a token copy of creatures that entered the battlefield after the reflector due to the same reason that I can only clone creatures that entered the battlefield before the clone did. (the clone hits and only sees the stuff that's already in play, and the reflector can't see the stuff that already entered)

Worms of the Earth

But that would have to be a pre-existing effect unless you were an actual maniac and put Worms in your Primal Surge deck. I can't think of a static ability involving a choice that would disrupt PS.

Interesting. I own a Worms of the Earth, but I'll admit I never really paid any attention to the effect.

As for choice, well in a sense Mindslaver effects can be used to force a player to cast Primal Surge and then choose to stop the effect after a single card gets exiled.

Hmmm... funny... to bad they errated it.. otherwise it would be funny to play that, then make it indestructable

They didn't errata the effect which prevents lands from entering the battlefield, they just reworded the text of the card to modern standards.

"Players can't play lands.

Lands can't enter the battlefield.

At the beginning of each upkeep, any player may sacrifice two lands or have Worms of the Earth deal 5 damage to him or her. If a player does either, destroy Worms of the Earth."

I was talking about the destory part... now it's a sac.

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Gatherer still says "destroy Worms of the Earth," so where are you seeing errata for sacrifice?

Minion Reflector generates its trigger every time it "sees" a nontoken creature enter the battlefield under your control, so it will trigger for everything that Surge puts in after it. When surge is done, those will go on the stack. For each one, you decide whether you want to pay {2} as the trigger resolves. So with the earlier Purphoros, Hermit Druid, Chancellor of the Forge example, let's throw a Minion Reflector and a Merfolk of the Pearl Trident in the mix.

PS hits Purphoros
PS hits Merfolk of the Pearl Trident
PS hits Minion Reflector
PS hits Chancellor of the Forge (p, mr, and chancellor all trigger)
PS hits Hermit Druid (purphoros, druid, and minion reflector all trigger)
Thus endeth the Surging, you stack your triggers (bottom to top, purphx3, chancellor, reflector of chancellor, reflector of druid, druid)

The stack starts resolving:
+4 squirrels, purphoros triggers 4 times
your opponents eat eight
you may pay {2}, if you do the token druid will trigger (as will purphoros)
two to their domes
+4 squirrels (assuming you paid), purphoros triggers 4 times
2+2+2+2=8 once more
you may pay {2}, if you do the token chancellor triggers (and your opponents will be super bummed about Purphoros at this point)
2 more damage
+15 goblins (2 druids, 10 squirrels, 2 chancellor), and a bundle more purphoros triggers
30 more damage in packets of 2
+30 goblins & purphoros triggers
60 more...is anybody out there?
and then 3 triggers from the original Chancellor and Druid and the Merfolk. I bet you forgot about those.

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