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I wasn't there when Emmy was legal in EDH, but I approve her banned status. Trying to compare her with Yosei or Emmy 2.0 in terms of power is laughable. I run in my Rakdos. I've witnessed firsthand what an annihilator 3 can do to people on turn five. I don't want to even imagine that being 6 plus Time Walk.

What I'm really surprised at, however, is that in seven pages of Emrakul discussion nobody has mentioned yet. I mean, c'mon, people :P

Also, how the hell does an Emrakul thread make me want to build a Phage deck? MADNESS!!! :evil:


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The discussion essentially boils down to which part of Emmy is the worst. For example, I would argue that if you took away her cast trigger, she probably wouldn't be banned. Hardcasting Emrakul is THE worst thing for your opponents because with the extra turn, she is basically a giant with haste. I think no one's disputing THAT. Without the Time Warp, yes, you can still Bribe her out, you can still with her, but the same thing can be done with and no one is banning that.

Bottom line is that for me, the thing that pushes her over the ban treshold is the cast trigger.

P.S.: And yes, I did just put the words "ban treshold" in a sentence :twisted: Quote mining shield—ON.


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Blightsteel can reasonably be handle by blocking with a Solemn to bide time. Ofc, barring like board wipes or enabling hijinks to ensure the oneshot. As a pressure animal it might take two attacks. Emrakul is nearly be unblockable, even though it doesn't kill in one hit. It cripples and adds misery.

I think maybe if it were annihilator 4 and no extra turn, or no annihilator but still with extra turn. She's just good for too many reasons for it to be one thing, i think for the most part. Annihilator 6 plus extra turn might be fine without uncounterability/flying/protection all in one.

It's really cool design that they return to library - both for the flavor of "we're inevitable, we will never die" and for balancing a lot of reanimator hijinks. But i think it would have also been interesting if they were exiled instead of hitting yard, as though they return to the Blind Eternities.


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Hi

Being a proud owner of Emrakul, Aeons torn and a lover of EDH I would like to add my 2 cents to the pile.

Emrakul Aeons Torn is the only card in magic that wins game by simply showing up, not even attacking once, players quit, its amazing, this card, that version/iteration owns my heart but E.A.T (Emrakul, Aeons torn) is banned because annihilator 6 is insane already, protection from colours is a game winning combo already despite costing 15 its simply a matter of cheating this creature into play more often then not, who cares about an extra turn (which when cast could basically be considered '' Elder Eldrazi haste'') when you got 15/15 flyer on the board with aforementioned skills oh and it can't be bloody countered if you cast it! and the cherry on top...there's a cherry on top?, why yes there is, it's the ability to re-shuffle your deck with E.A.T in it so the only way to deal with these elder eldrazi is: EXILE, EXILE, EXILE! You would have to be blind, no offense just a figure of expression, to think this card should be allowed compared to old kozilek and ulamog they are more balanced. Lol, I write that after the last game I played I got hit 2 times with old kozilek and sacked 8 permanents to his hungry maw but good ol' Sarkan Vol R/G version took control of Kozilek 2 times giving my opponent a taste of their own medicine which in turn allowed the third player to win :lol: but that is strangely more balanced then E.A.T as its nigh impossible to deal with, it eats hope to put it mildly.

The new Emrakul of the promised end (E.P.E) is a far more interestingly balanced version, a 13/13 trample, flyer, immune to instants, if cast has mindslaver ability on opponent and can cost 1 less for each card type in graveyard. I am unsure if the new Emrakul could be a better commander then Kozilek and Ulamogs new version. I almost think the new ulamog of ceasless hunger (U.C.H)could be considered a next on the ban block, immediately exiling 2 permanents and when attacking exile 20 cards off of opponents library (now imagine also adding strionic resonator and bright hearth rings to that trigger) seems criminal but that's the tipping point isn't it? Kozilek, the great distortion (K.G.D.) he's not so bad despite being able to basically counter anything if the deck is built right and the mana acceleration due to artifacts is unreal but still seems far more balanced then E.A.T and U.C.H. Players may balk at seeing any elder eldrazi but it tends to be more about the mechanics/abilities then the numbers, thus out of the three newer versions, K.G.D is the least scary, strange a 12/12 menace is less scary then... exiling 2 permanents on entrance and 20 exiled cards off of deck when attacks or mindslaver ability 13/13 flying trample but annihilator in general seems to be what most players grumble about, probably one of the more annoying abilities in MTG, sitting cozy beside infect, perhaps?

More interesting to me is that it's not considered odd that all commander decks have certain cards that are the same in all decks, ie: sol ring, tutor, and a re-shuffle graveyard into deck card (ie:elixir of immortality). That in itself I find format bending that everyone seems to use these key cards and makes me think that WOTC should always include in every new commander set deck. In singletons format its always good to get multiple uses out of a single card I get that, hence why the older eldrazi are A+ in amazing: permanent elimination, graveyard re-shuffling, giant creature, cool casting effect, all in all a very efficient package. So when you ask yourself why E.A.T banned (Gruul translation: grrr, argh?!?!), just remind yourself that 2/3 of these older versioned monsters being allowed in commander is amazing since their home is close to Ban-town, they like being close to their sister who lives in Ban-town.

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