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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-01 9:36 am 
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I don't see how he really keeps a lockdown unless the Leovold Player is using, , and via then to counteract the effect

Besides, Leovole can easily be hit by a then of Him! Bye bye commander!

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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-01 11:36 am 
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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-01 11:51 am 

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Witchbane orb gives you hexproof, but that is only you, not your creatures/permanents or your graveyard. Hexproof stops spells or abilities targeting you.

Web of inertia does not target, neither does season of the witch, so witchbane does nothing there.
Necrogenesis does target but it doesn't target you, it target a card in your graveyard, so the orb is similarly unhelpful.
In addition donating doesnt force it's new owner to keep it. The new owner is free to choose not to pay two life and destroy the season.

It is really important to understand the difference between effects that target and those that don't, especially when discussing Leovold. Targeted effects must literally have the word target printed on them, whilst non-targeted effects use words like each.

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RaiRai started this thread actually not knowing those cards didn't target. He's trolling now. Stop the feed.


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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-02 6:17 am 

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Leo looks like a giant dick.

Can he be banned? Yeah. It just depends on how badly he gets used.

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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-02 11:26 am 

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I listed the 'Each Player Discards a Card' and 'Each Opponent Discards a Card' that I could find on page 4. That's just the stuff I went looking for. Leovold isn't an easy two-card lock like some cards are, which is why he seems less threatening then he really is. It's my understanding that people think that the more cards a combo needs, the less chance it can be used.

I'm not really sure what all options Leovold has, because black and red are my two worst colors, and outside of artifact stuff, blue is around the same as those two for me. I'm my play group's 'artifact guy', and I have no idea what half of the shenanigans Leovold might be able to pull with , , , , , , and/or half a dozen other artifacts that I don't feel like digging through my decks to find. I do know that if U/B/G has nearly as many options as artifacts do, it would take all day to find and list them all.

Leovold is new, so we have yet to see just how bad he might get. Leovold is low CMC, so he's easy to get out early. Leovold is soft lockdown, so it's easy to dismiss him as not a very big threat. Leovold is also going to be popular, because there are only four other U/B/G commanders: Damia has yet to be reprinted, and the Mimeoplasm was only reprinted in the Commander's Arsenal. I also consider Leovold a significantly better choice over Sidisi and Vorosh.

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Played several games with Leovold yesterday with what I would consider a fairly casual build (no fetches or ABUR duals, no Twister, minimal tutor package). It was fine. It didn't do anything oppressive apart from stop the Edric player from winning. I wheeled a couple of times each game and put everyone at 1 card, but mostly people were able to remove Leovold and recover. I won about 25% of the games I played.

Not really seeing a problem here.


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i havent built him yet, but that sounds like how it would go.

Leo isnt going to accidentally ruin too many games the way Braids would (aside from the fact someone picked her as a commander).

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There's . Also, any of four or so instant speed loot abilities, even if they ony target a single player.


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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-03 10:31 pm 

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You still need a third card to get everyone's hand empty first.

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AgePosted: 2016-Sep-04 12:35 am 

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Okay, so we're all panicking, because if you cast Leovold, activate Geier Reach Sanitarium, cast Anvil of Bogardan, and then cast Windfall, nobody gets to keep their hand?

A four card combo that doesn't even win the game.

What a time to be alive.


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