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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 10:52 am 

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The new banned list in Duel Commander has outraged me for Breya, Etherium Shaper has been banned as a commander.

This is outraging so many that play the Duel Commander format. But I am not sure how to say it here.


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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 11:30 am 

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Well, you already said it.

But this is not really a DC forum, i don't think more than a small portion of people here play it.

I hear a lot of bad things about it, and a lot of upset voices about the structure. I would like to try some 1v1 commander but i never got into DC :/


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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 1:11 pm 
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I literally cannot figure out why half the shit in that format is banned. Oloro? Marath? Vial Smasher? ? ? ? ? ? It seems as in the only justification for half the banlist is "It's kinda undercosted" or "Some combo decks use it to help win".


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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 1:27 pm 

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I kinda get why Oloro is banned. It might be too easy to shut out an aggro strategy with him... maybe?

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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 1:56 pm 
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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-27 3:25 pm 

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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-28 1:16 am 
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DTT has been banned in legacy for a year or two, thank gourd.


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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-28 2:00 am 
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DC has always sortof... failed to understand what makes EDH work imo (but that's because EDH is perfectly playable between 2 people.) At an LGS I used to attend to, "French" became popular for a time, which actually impacted regular EDH in some pretty awful ways (players would jam their "French" deck because they lacked another deck, or felt that the French deck was more powerful than their fun EDH proper decks.) Consequently, that meant that the number of policing, combobreaking, or otherwise "Fair Enforcement" decks were in short supply (I would get dragged into EDH marathons because my brews tend to focus on combobreaking and encouraging margin/value based play.) This is probably the only period of enjoying EDH that I experienced a level of fatigue that made me just not want to touch the format whatsoever.

With that in mind, in EDH proper, we have the benefit of having our guidelines given by high level judges, instead of salty players' demands. I actually dug the banlist for French on my initial appraisal, because I think , , and effect the relative power-level of EDH far too much- but then I noticed the number of tutors banned, and I realized that it doesn't really want to embrace Highlander as a format. DC wants to balance itself as 100 Card Singleton Legacy, for people who probably just don't want to actually use the funds for playsets in a real Legacy deck.

Which brings us back to Breya. I have a hard time seeing her a problem without access to Vault, Crypt, Monolith, Top, , , , , , or even and . This is quite simply a design philosophy of deck-banning, where it may have been more appropriate to ban if Breya showed herself to be oppressive (because, I would wager that , and would be far more oppressive artifact generals if not for Ironworks + Deathmantle or similar looping)

Also lol, Tasigur is banned as a general. "It's strongish, we need to ban it"


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AgePosted: 2017-Apr-30 2:04 am 
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I've never played Duel Commander, but reading through this thread, and knowing about the recent scandal that is happening in the format (The French vs. The Leviathan War), I can only conclude two things: either the managers of the format really, really suck at their jobs; or Commander simply doesn't work outside multiplayer. At least not how the rules are currently written. I guess having constant access to a legendary creature unbalances the format in such a way that you need to ban a ton of cards, half of which that make no sense to ignorant people like me, just to try and keep the format balanced and diverse. Maybe it's time to retire the format and start over with a different set of rules more appropriate to a competitive format? Like, for instance, only allow cards legal in Modern? Just a thought.


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