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 Post subject: Taigam Rebuilt
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-14 1:00 pm 
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Ok, finally got around to building Taigam for real. I went with a control build. I don't do a lot of control so this deck is really out of my main comfort zone. It will likely evolve.

Artifact
Champion's Helm
Aetherflux Reservoir
Mirage Mirror
Relic of Progenitus
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of the Animist
Sword of War and Peace
Torpor Orb

Commander
Taigam, Ojutai Master

Creature
Angel of Condemnation
Archaeomancer
Aven Mindcensor
Brago, King Eternal
Containment Priest
Docent of Perfection
Grand Abolisher
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Mnemonic Wall
Monastery Mentor
Niblis of Frost
Stonecloaker
Talrand, Sky Summoner
Thassa, God of the Sea
Yosei, the Morning Star

Enchantment
Dovescape
In the Eye of Chaos
Reconnaissance
Sigarda's Aid
Spectra Ward
Steel of the Godhead
Swarm Intelligence

Instant
Cyclonic Rift
Ghostly Flicker
Brainstorm
Cackling Counterpart
Crib Swap
Cryptic Command
Forsake the Worldly
Mystic Confluence
Return to Dust
Supplant Form
Teferi's Protection
Unsubstantiate

Planeswalker
Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Narset Transcendent

Sorcery
Acquire
Blatant Thievery
Bribery
Austere Command
Baral's Expertise
Clone Legion
Exhaustion
Kefnet's Last Word
Plea for Guidance
Rite of Replication
Rush of Knowledge
Spelltwine
Storm Herd
Supreme Verdict
Telemin Performance

Land
Azorius Chancery
Celestial Colonnade
Glacial Fortress
Hallowed Fountain
Island
Mistveil Plains
Plains
Reliquary Tower
Tundra

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Glissa, the Traitor -> Voltron
Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

Proving Grounds: Drawmia-maro, Titania When Lands Attack, Tromokratis Read it Again, Kaalia's Klerics, Hordes of Tribes.


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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-14 1:59 pm 

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I feel like you should be playing some dragons in there. Keiga, Ojutai, Yosei...

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-15 1:24 pm 
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got a chance to play this deck tonight. Got creamed quickly by a tuned infinite Marath deck. Not surprising.

It was fun the little bit I got to play. Rebounding spells is fun. Got a Tithe, Enlightened Tutor, and a Divination to bounce.

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Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-15 4:22 pm 
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Taigam is weird. What I dislike about him most, is that he's a General that wants combat, but doesn't immediately reward like Brago, King Eternal- which mostly means that you have to connect, protect, and get value out of combat. For this reason, I think Taigam is much worse as a Stax/Control General than most alternatives, and has a very poor Brago impression as a value-oriented General with a combat ability.

With respect to this, Taigam has to be treated like Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder as a hybrid beatdown/ spell value deck- as opposed to a Narset Enlightened Master or Jeleva, Scourge of Nephalia spell value deck- since you have to cast and resolve the spells to get the sweet Rebound value (while Narset and Jeleva give you the ability to cast spells easier.)

The place I would start, with this in mind...
I. Cantrips. Rebound looooves cantrips. The cheaper, the better. Defiant Strike, Slip Through Space, Preordain, Thought Scour etc.

II. Gustcloak Savior, Whispersilk Cloak, Eerie Interlude or other tricks that let you protect Taigam en passant.

III. Coastal Piracy and other "Infiltrator" cards. Since you have to perform combat for value anyways, you might as well. This was sortof what Daxos was supposed to do, but the support for him isn't quite as there as it is with Taigam and Temmet. Bonus points if you play Jeskai Infiltrator and Dragonlord Ojutai.

IV. Prowess... Oddly enough, Rebound works with it, Monastery Mentor is a pet card of mine, and these sort of decks house it well. Seeker of the Way, Jeskai Elder and Jeskai Sage are all fairly decent and contribute well to Infiltrator plays.

Would also definitely consider the following...
Valorous Stance
Icefall Regent
Eternal Dragon
Cloudblazer
Venser, the Sojourner

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-16 12:26 am 
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One thing I noticed last night as I read Taigam again, he doesn't need to connect to get the Rebound, just attack. I'm going to put one of my favorite cards in, Reconnaissance. Sadly, I also noticed it was just spells cast from the hand that got Rebound. Too bad, I wanted to Rebound other peoples spells with Daxos.

I have Monastery Mentor in the maybe pile. I think he'll replace Talrand.

I do need even more draw. I got stuck with a series of dry draws for a bit. I'll look into it.

I thought about going an infiltrator route but it would be a completely different deck. If this one doesn't click into place, I'll change it up.


Another card I really want to put in here is Dovescape. I have In the Eye of Chaos already. I would like to capitalize on Taigam's first ability where my spells can't be countered. Are there any other cards that would play a role similar to Dovescape and In the Eye of Chaos?

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Glissa, the Traitor -> Voltron
Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

Proving Grounds: Drawmia-maro, Titania When Lands Attack, Tromokratis Read it Again, Kaalia's Klerics, Hordes of Tribes.


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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-16 2:43 am 
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scatteredsun wrote:
Another card I really want to put in here is Dovescape. I have In the Eye of Chaos already. I would like to capitalize on Taigam's first ability where my spells can't be countered. Are there any other cards that would play a role similar to Dovescape and In the Eye of Chaos?


Knowledge Pool...

Okay, okay, dick move, I know (though, if you're going to UW Locks, you could do far worse than Teferi + Knowledge Pool.)

My only issue with Dovescape is that as a card it has a habit of blowing back super hard. Enchantment breaking creatures aren't as cost inefficient as they used to be. Also, it's a cardinal (or dove, perhaps?) sin to play Dovescape without Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. But if you're going for a jerk deck, why not? :D Keep a table flip score in the deck box.

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Jun-16 3:55 am 

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scatteredsun wrote:
One thing I noticed last night as I read Taigam again, he doesn't need to connect to get the Rebound, just attack. I'm going to put one of my favorite cards in, Reconnaissance. Sadly, I also noticed it was just spells cast from the hand that got Rebound. Too bad, I wanted to Rebound other peoples spells with Daxos.

I have Monastery Mentor in the maybe pile. I think he'll replace Talrand.

I do need even more draw. I got stuck with a series of dry draws for a bit. I'll look into it.

I thought about going an infiltrator route but it would be a completely different deck. If this one doesn't click into place, I'll change it up.


Another card I really want to put in here is Dovescape. I have In the Eye of Chaos already. I would like to capitalize on Taigam's first ability where my spells can't be countered. Are there any other cards that would play a role similar to Dovescape and In the Eye of Chaos?

similar to Dovescape and Eye of Chaos?

Decree of Silence kinda...
Ice Cave kinda...
Presence of the Master if enchantments are an issue...
Invoke Prejudice seems fun with Dovescape.

If you're going for Dovescape I would definitely want to play Guile. Seems too funny to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-09 3:35 am 

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niheloim wrote:
If you're going for Dovescape I would definitely want to play Guile. Seems too funny to me.


Lol, abolutely Guile FTW.


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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rebuilt
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-27 3:29 pm 
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Actually built now. OP updated. Didn't find room for Guile. Will probably make room.

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Glissa, the Traitor -> Voltron
Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

Proving Grounds: Drawmia-maro, Titania When Lands Attack, Tromokratis Read it Again, Kaalia's Klerics, Hordes of Tribes.


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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rebuilt
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-28 3:10 am 
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These could help you get his triggers without needing a lot of auras and the like.
Reconnaissance
Maze of Ith

This guy could help too, if you were only going to cast an instant that turn.
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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rebuilt
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-28 4:06 am 
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Reconn is in there. I tend to shove that bad boy in just about any deck with W :)

I should probably toss Maze in. It's a good card even without targeting my commander.

I <3 Galepowder Mage but at this point between the Swords, Steel of the Godhead, and Spectra Ward, I should be able to get attacks in no problem.

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Glissa, the Traitor -> Voltron
Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

Proving Grounds: Drawmia-maro, Titania When Lands Attack, Tromokratis Read it Again, Kaalia's Klerics, Hordes of Tribes.


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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rough Draft
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-28 9:50 am 

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scatteredsun wrote:
Another card I really want to put in here is Dovescape. I have In the Eye of Chaos already. I would like to capitalize on Taigam's first ability where my spells can't be countered. Are there any other cards that would play a role similar to Dovescape and In the Eye of Chaos?

Nullstone Gargoyle is another card that does this, although it's kind of expensive to cast.

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 Post subject: Re: Taigam Rebuilt
AgePosted: 2017-Nov-28 10:13 am 
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Love it!

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Glissa, the Traitor -> Voltron
Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

Proving Grounds: Drawmia-maro, Titania When Lands Attack, Tromokratis Read it Again, Kaalia's Klerics, Hordes of Tribes.


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