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I can't help but feel like the Rules Committee is missing the point here.

As you can guess from my lack of activity in recent months, my EDH group has fallen apart, as most of them have graduated and the rest have just kind of lost interest. So the only times I've played any Magic at all recently is at the nearby LGS. The problem is that at an LGS, you rarely can use home rules or ban lists, so most people use the official ban lists here.

You guys know this, and you think that this means that no one will get to use the new Un-Cards unless you make it an official ruling, and you are actually right. The problem is, for the 90% of people who don't want to use Un-Cards, you have just ruined the next month.

First, there is the problem that many players don't want to buy silver-bordered cards that they can only use for a month, and many who don't want to have to change their decks to accommodate them. You may argue that they don't really need to do this, but lets be honest, that's bullshit. Silver-Border Magic decks that are built well will completely destroy black bordered decks built for the same format, especially in a format like EDH where you have more time and cards at your disposal. And that just makes the games frustrating for a lot of people. Which brings me to my second point.

Some people just don't like playing sliver-bordered Magic, and of the ones who do, most want to play shorter games, not long ones like in EDH. And more importantly, in the time shortly after Unstable comes out, it won't be hard for the people who do want to play silver bordered EDH to find others that will. But with this rule, it will now be frustrating for people who don't want to play this kind of format to avoid it. And this is the real issue I have. This change does not make it easier for people who want to play silver border EDH to play it, it just makes it harder for people who don't to avoid it. EDH has a reputation as a wacky format, but it is NOT supposed to be a joke format, it is supposed to be a format that encourages customization and creativity. The is change undermines that.

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I'm gonna cross post what happened today here:

so,today I played in a game with uncards including Nerf War, when I mentioned it was banned this morning the player who had asked if he could still use it, I said I was fine with it for one game. He used it informing me that he had tested both a small four shot nerf gun and his larger capacity one using his most expensive deck and he said that if he felt okay with someone shooting that deck, we should okay. He also pointed out that he wasn't going to be one of those players who pull out the missile or the other larger Nerf guns.

My concern was mainly the fact that my sleeves being new were still slippery, but as it was he was only able to knock three off. And it also made his tribal dino deck legit since he uses Grim lock for it. He also bought some dollar store toys for his and even asked if my B.F.M was for trade..it isn't.


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Something is different hence the sky is falling and everything is doooooooomed!

For nearly 20 years people playing with silver bordered cards in EDH have house ruled them in. For a few weeks people who dont like silver bordered cards have to house rule them out, seems fine to me.

If you're the kind of person that is going to quit edh forever because of this, you probably wouldn't have lasted very long anyway, acceptable losses. This isn't really the format for people who abhor trying new things.

If you're the kind of person that is looking for ways to be a dick with silver bordered cards, then you're probably a bit of a dick and I'm going to put you into the acceptable losses category. Papa funk put it very well, you are still expected to abide by humanity. The game is still played by people, so if your opponent wants to do something to damage your cards in order to force a concession, then give them the concession, tell the shove their deck in a place that is both uncomfortable and not conducive to good gameplay, and go find some people that aren't jerks.

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I have two points to contribute:

1. Blacker Lotus and the card referring to nerf guns should be banned ASAP. Same goes for some cards in Unstable like The Countdown is at One.

2. I would like to quickly point out that temporarily unbanning cards and temporarily legalizing cards are two different things.

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