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 Post subject: Commander 2018 "Storm" cycle, and Partner
AgePosted: 2018-Aug-06 2:52 am 
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reads:

"Echo Storm
3UU
Sorcery
When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you've cast your commander from the command zone this game. You may choose new targets for the copies.

Create a token that's a copy of target artifact."

If you're playing with Partner (from 2016, or Battlebond) Commanders, does it count the number of casts from the command zone for one of the partners, or both?

Rule 702.123e suggests that it would only count one of their total castings from the command zone



Anyone want to weigh in with a different opinion, or does it work pretty much how I think it does?

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 Post subject: Re: Commander 2018 "Storm" cycle, and Partner
AgePosted: 2018-Aug-06 3:15 am 
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Yeah, I think the rules suggest at the time of casting you choose which of the two partner commanders will count.


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Gavin confirmed on Commanderin' that it counts the total times any of your Commanders have been cast.


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The relevant example here may be split cards - for example, if an effect asks the question "What is the CMC of ?" the answer is "2 AND 5". If something like needs to know the color ID of and , the answer is "Blue AND Red". So it makes sense that you would combine, and not pick one or the other for "How many times have you cast your commander?".

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Im not sure I like your reasoning Sid, for split cards you have an A or B set up. What is the CMC of a split card? 2 or 5, but not 7.

So this line of reasoning suggests a choice between the partners not a combination of them both.

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Ah right. I knew they changed the way split cards worked, but I got the change the wrong way around. Combined CMC is why brain in a jar isn't a modern deck anymore.

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So to put that together (in my mind at least)
Commander storm says "copy this for each time you cast Your commander
The rule states that your commander is considered either of your partners.
Each time I cast one of my commanders it counts as casting my commander, regardless of how many commanders I have. So when the spell effect asks "How many times have you cast your commander" I count all the times I have cast a commander card that is mine.

This is in contrast to counting how many times a commander card has been cast.
The focus is supposed to be on the player, not the commander card.

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That is certainly how I read 702.123e now.

I admit it was not when I first saw it, but this thread plus the discussion from Gavin has shown me the way I was mistaken.


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