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AgePosted: 2019-Apr-17 6:15 am 
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After thinking about it, and looking at a few things, I figured I'd just come here and ask.

Is there a possibility that as of now, can be re-evaluated. With a commander like out now, is Rofellos still "that" scary. I've considered the early/mid/late game, but atnleast by the late game it makes sense for his impact to be doing something game ending, and even then we're still not factoring in if we've burned out our hand or not, however, with a burned out hand having 7-10 mana and a Rofellos on board is very underwhelming.

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 Post subject: Re: Rofellos
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from personal experience, rofellos is terrifying and in a completely different league from selvala. Selvala requires an actual board state to really kick off, rofls just needs the mana it took to cast him and God help you if rofls hits any sort of land ramp, game basically over. Also keep in mind none of the tools that makes selvala so disgusting existed when rofls was legal, green now has access to FAR better cards. The last time I played vs a rofls deck they were running things like and , we now have access to cards like , , , and a whole hell of a lot more.

In a casual meta, rofls pretty much wins every time and nothing like that needs to be reintroduced into the format.


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Oh please oh please give me back my Roflcoptor.
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 Post subject: Re: Rofellos
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-17 12:34 pm 
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I used to run Rofellos in my Omnath deck. My best game was 3 turns.

T1:
Wirewood Lodge,
Cast Mana Vault,
Exile Elvish Spirit Guide
Cast Skyshroud Claim,
Cast Gaea's Touch,
Play 2nd Forest,
Sac Touch to cast Rofellos

T2:
Tap 3 forests, tap Rofellos for 3 (6 Green.)
Tap lodge to Untap Rofellos (5 green)
Tap Rofellos for 3 more. (8 green.)
Cast New Frontiers for 7.

T3:
Tap 10 forests. (10 green.)
Tap Rofellos (20 green)
Untap Rofellos (19 green)
Tap Rofellos (29 green)
I had planned on simply casting a 26/26 Omnath that turn, but I drew and cast Genesis Wave for 26 instead.

The table scooped. I don't know how much mana he would have tapped for on turn 4, but it would have been silly.

Rofellos makes plays like that possible. And to be honest in the right build he's really Consistent.

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There's no real need to re-evaluate Rofellos to understand how broken it remains. Way too much mana way too fast way too consistently.

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 Post subject: Re: Rofellos
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It's been said before, but I'll throw it in again, the difference between Selvala and Rofellos is wrath of god.

Wraths are common place in commander, and when you play wrath of god you reset Selvala back to 0. When the opponent replays Selvala, they also need to find more fatties to put into play before she can tap for big mana, there is a rebuilding phase.

When you wrath Rofellos, on the following turn they replay him and they are right back to where they were before the wrath, all of the mana is still available. No need to rebuild, just go back to casting ridiculous things.

Both can be broken, Selvala is very very good, and having big creatures is not hard to do, however can you honestly compare the need to have big creatures in play to the need to have forests? As night follows day, Rofellos has 6 mana on turn 3, and you just cant beat that consistency.

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Actually I think rofls would be even more powerful today than ever, with new ramp pieces, new green leyline and more payoffs then ever. There isn't a lot that stops a dork from tapping for mana, if you dont have the kill spell in hand and castable, you probably just lose.


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heh, for a brief sweet time, I remember t3 Prime Times off of Rofellos.

While I would not want him unbanned completely, I do miss him being allowed in the 99. I don't think it's worth the trouble of two ban lists but one can day dream.

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