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 Post subject: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-18 10:40 am 

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I believe according to the rules God-Eternal Oketra should be a mono-white card and a mono white commander, but I just want to make sure, as she does create Black Zombie tokens. Can I get a clarification? Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-18 12:03 pm 

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You are correct, her color identity is mono-white.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-19 8:23 am 

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In my opinion, this relatively rare situation would make more sense at a gut level if you weren't right. I'm sure the reason you're right is the same reason we can use off-color fetches, but, if a player built an Orzhov deck helmed by Oketra, I wouldn't bat an eye. Then again, I also believe that Extort should require no less than Orzhov colors as well, but sometimes having clean rules is better than having the best rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-23 3:09 am 

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Baron I agree, but think rules clarity on something like CI should reign.

I would have no issue with Orzhov decks led by Oketra, but that needs to be part of 'discuss a game prior to its start'.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-23 11:18 am 
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Baron Cappuccino wrote:
In my opinion, this relatively rare situation would make more sense at a gut level if you weren't right. I'm sure the reason you're right is the same reason we can use off-color fetches, but, if a player built an Orzhov deck helmed by Oketra, I wouldn't bat an eye. Then again, I also believe that Extort should require no less than Orzhov colors as well, but sometimes having clean rules is better than having the best rules.

Amen.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-23 11:59 pm 

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The main problem is that it is very hard to define in rules terms the difference between God-Eternal Oketra, and say Major Teroh, who also has the word black in his rules text but doesn't feel W/B in any way and would make no sense heading up an Orzhov deck.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-24 9:47 am 
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Coco wrote:
The main problem is that it is very hard to define in rules terms the difference between God-Eternal Oketra, and say Major Teroh, who also has the word black in his rules text but doesn't feel W/B in any way and would make no sense heading up an Orzhov deck.

This. Or only being able to play Spectral Force in a B/G/x deck. Or Red Elemental Blast only in a U/R/x deck. Or literally a thousand other examples.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-26 7:15 am 

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The Color Identity rule refers to color symbols on cards or a clear indication that the card itself is of a certain color, not just a word refering to a color. Celestial Purge then would only be played on decks with at least RWB? I believe it's really interesting to have colors of one card that make tokens of another color and this doesn't hurt the Color Identity philosophy in my opinion.

About Extort, as the symbol is on a reminder text it doesn't really changes the color identity of the card, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Apr-26 8:34 am 
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petruscaex wrote:
About Extort, as the symbol is on a reminder text it doesn't really changes the color identity of the card, right?

Correct. The CI rule says: “Reminder text is not included in the colour identity of a card.” Pontiff of Blight is a mono black staple, Trinisphere is still colorless.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Jul-07 1:51 pm 

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I have no idea who could even think her identity is other than White except for new players...


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 Post subject: Re: Question about God-Eternal Oketra's Color Identity
AgePosted: 2019-Jul-07 6:27 pm 

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Chiky wrote:
I have no idea who could even think her identity is other than White except for new players...

They clearly were a new player. Why make a big deal about it?

CI isnt super easy to get all the time.

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