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 Post subject: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-Apr-28 12:05 am 
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Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum! It's good to have you on board.

People here do like to talk about Commander; it's the internet, no topic can't be discussed in excruciating detail. That being said, there's strong temptation to come in here and start a new thread regarding some issue that you have with Commander. That's fine, but odds are there's already been a long thread discussing the issue and you should check first before asking everyone to rehash everything all over again.

I guarantee there's been a thread calling for the unbanning of every card on the banlist. In the top right corner of the page, you'll see a search bar. Typing the name of the card in there and selecting this forum and "Topic Titles only" should bring it up. For example, here is Coalition Victory and here is Panoptic Mirror. I can't guarantee that you'll like or agree with what's posted there, but you'll probably see many of your arguments addressed or at least raised. Zimagic, in his infinite awesomeness, has compiled a list of them below for easy reference.

Similarly, there's a good chance that you'll find a thread for the card that you want banned. Try a similar search (probably without the title-only restriction; they tend to be more buried), and it might be there. For example: Mistmeadow Witch. If not, never fear, you'll find a thread for "Ban Card X" that you can add to.

Most of the rules have also been covered on a regular basis. Poke around and you'll probably find a thread, especially if it's one of the biggies, like color identity, Relentless Rats, tuck, or poison.

A few more simple pieces of advice:

1) Be civil. Yes, you get to hang out behind a pseudonym. That is not a license to prove Penny Arcade correct. You won't get far by being obnoxious.

2) Remember that Commander is focused on *casual*, *multiplayer* Magic. There's a separate forum for 1v1 discussions. Just by being here you're already taking Commander more seriously than the vast majority of the format audience. If you need to talk about evolving metagames, then you're a big-time outlier.

3) Calling for a ban of a card before a set is released is a really good way to look foolish in a few months.

4) Calling for an emergency ban in general isn't going to get you far. We issue updates quarterly (at the same time as the Magic docs, though Sheldon usually gets excited and spills the beans a couple days early) and the odds of us deviating from that are basically nil. Remember, we're not targetted at people who read message-boards religiously.

5) Yelling louder and more often than the other side is not an effective way to sway the Rules Committee. Bringing possible attention to a problem is great. Throwing tantrums in the hopes that we'll change something if you complain enough is annoying and ineffective. Casting aspersions on our skills, understanding, mental acuity, devotion to the game/format or effort won't do it either; the RC is primarily made up of extremely experienced judges so it just becomes hard to take you seriously.

6) Commander isn't like other formats, and we're almost certainly aware of that broken combo you just discovered. Really. It's unlikely that we'll be banning it unless things get too problematic. I talked about the philosophy behind the format a while back, and it still applies.

7) Going around in circles so that you can have the last word should be avoided. Remember that future Commander players will be wading through your posts when they have questions about the format in the future!

8) People here are cool, and have a hobby in common with you. Go hang out with them in Random Chatter!


Zimagic's list of useful threads:

Ancestral Recall
Discussion: (Yeah, nobody seems to argue about this one)


Balance


Biorhythm
Discussion:


Black Lotus


Coalition Victory


Channel


Emrakul, the Aeons Torn


Fastbond


Gifts Ungiven


Karakas


Library of Alexandria


Limited Resources


Metalworker


Mox Sapphire, Ruby, Pearl, Emerald and Jet


Painter's Servant


Panoptic Mirror


Protean Hulk


Recurring Nightmare


Staff of Domination


Sway of the Stars
Announcement:
Discussion:


Time Vault


Time Walk
Discussion: (yeah, nobody really argues about this one either) ETA: So much for that: http://forum.mtgcommander.net/EDH_Forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10129


Tinker


Tolarian Academy


Upheaval


Yawgmoth's Bargain
Announcement:
Discussion:


Rofellos


Braids



The following have been proposed for banning by the community at some point or another:
Akroma's Memorial
Arcum Dagsson
Auriok Salvagers
Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Bazaar of Baghdad (& other high cost cards)
Beacon of Immortality
Blightsteel Colossus
Blue (the colour) :roll:
Captain Sisay
Contamination
Crucible of Worlds
Declaration of Naught
Dream Halls (with Conflux)
Enchanted Evening (with Opalesence or maybe the other way around.)
Eternity Vessel
Eye of the Storm
Felidar Sovereign
Flash
Greater Good
Hermit Druid
Hinder
Hive Mind
Imperial Seal
Intuition
Iona, Shield of Emeria
Jester's Cap
Lighthouse Chronologist
Magister Sphinx
Mana Crypt
Mind over Matter
Mindslaver
Mistmeadow Witch
Necropotence
Obliterate
Omnath, Locus of Mana
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Palincron
Seedborn Muse
Sensei's Divining Top
Serra Ascendant
Shahrazad
Shared Fate
Skullclamp
Sol Ring
Sorin Markov
Spawnsire of Ulamog
Sundering Titan
Survival of the Fittest
Thieves' Auction
Time Stretch
Tooth and Nail
Tunnel Vision
Uril, the Miststalker
Vicious Shadows
Worldpurge
Zur the Enchanter


As well as the following effects/strategies:
Land Destruction
Hybrid Mana
Infinite Combos
Tuck Effects
Tutors


Last edited by papa_funk on 2013-Mar-20 4:21 pm, edited 7 times in total.
added link to the format philosophy speech


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-Apr-28 12:10 am 
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While this won't reduce the number of threads we get by a lot, as people don't read stickies, at least we can now answer these threads with a single URL link.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-Apr-28 12:11 am 
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*slow clap* Thanks, pf! This makes me happy to see.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-Apr-28 12:36 am 
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It's fun to see people make a rant thread theyre first post, but it would be nice if they checked older threads first.

*Joins slow clap*

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-Apr-30 12:10 pm 

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Minor nitpick: You have misspelled "Rofellos" in the OP.


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-May-01 4:32 am 
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The only "complaint" I have that this is a sticky, where it should be an announcement.


Other than that. THANK YOU!


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-May-01 4:38 am 

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onlainari wrote:
While this won't reduce the number of threads we get by a lot, as people don't read stickies, at least we can now answer these threads with a single URL link.


*agrees*


Thank you papa_funk & zimagic!

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-May-01 7:10 am 
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papa_funk wrote:


A few typos. The misspelling of what I'm pretty sure is supposed to "casual" kinda looks bad, and the others just make the card tags nonfunctional.

Card names:
Rofellos
Bazaar of Baghdad
Captain Sisay
Thieves' Auction
Tooth and Nail
Uril, the Miststalker


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-May-01 8:41 am 

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Filth wrote:
papa_funk wrote:


A few typos. The misspelling of what I'm pretty sure is supposed to "casual" kinda looks bad, and the others just make the card tags nonfunctional.

Card names:
Rofellos
Bazaar of Baghdad
Captain Sisay
Thieves' Auction
Tooth and Nail
Uril, the Miststalker


That's all me, I didn't run the magic spell-checker after having spent the afternoon pulling this together for you all.
Thanks to PF for adding it into his OP.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2011-May-01 3:44 pm 
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Typos fixed, thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to the Rules Discussion forum - Read me first
AgePosted: 2012-Sep-20 4:44 pm 
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I'm sure there has been a proposed ban on Island more than once.

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AgePosted: 2012-Sep-20 4:48 pm 

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Should put the links to Sol Ring, Survival, and the other "REAL" powerhouse card discussions up.

We get enough of those threads.


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You missed some...

Sundering Titan


Primeval Titan


Sylvan Primordial


Griselbrand


Worldfire


Trade Secrets


As a Commander:

Erayo


Kokusho


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